The Trident II was a joke.
Typical modern Estes trying to fix something that was not busted....it was a Turd.

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When in doubt, WHACK the GAS and DITCH the brake !!!

Yes, there is such a thing as NORMAL, if you have to ask what is "NORMAL" , you probably aren't !
Failure may not be an OPTION, but it is ALWAYS a POSSIBILITY.
ALL systems are GO for MAYHEM, CHAOS, TURMOIL, FIASCOS, and HAVOC !

Bet THAT would take a few flushes and some time with a coat hanger!

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Bill Eichelberger
NAR 79563

http://wallyum.blogspot.com/

I miss being SAM 0058

Build floor: Estes - Low Boom SST Semroc - Marauder, Shrike, SST Shuttle

In paint: Canaroc - Starfighter Scorpion Centuri - Mini Dactyl Estes - F-22 Air Superiority Fighter, Multi-Roc, Solar Sailer II, Xarconian Cruiser Semroc - Cyber III

Ready to fly: Estes - Solar Sailer II Semroc - Earmark

I agree - if it ain't broke don't fix it, like the Astrocam 110. The "new improved" shutter mechanism was hard to keep from slipping and triggering the shutter as I inserted the cone. After it broke during a shock cord failure I put my old string 'n' slot Astrocam on the LV and finished out the film cartridge. When the pictures were developed, I saw no difference between the two. I also liked the fact that the old AC110 needed to be assembled. I was able to understand exactly how it works that way.

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Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems
Grovers Mill, NJ
Established 1938
lladd.netau.net

The newer Astrocam 110 allows any mechanically-DECLINED numbskull to launch a rocket that takes pictures....part of the ongoing "dumbing-down"/catering to JUNK-mart that Estes insists on doing while alienating real rocketry hobbyists that actually make repeat purchases instead of impulse-buy fire-n-forget rockets.
I agree that I enjoyed the building of the original Astrocam....I also enjoyed that Estes used to offer two other Astrocam motors....the B8-5 and B8-7 (the B14-5 and -7 work well too but very few people will still burn them)

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When in doubt, WHACK the GAS and DITCH the brake !!!

Yes, there is such a thing as NORMAL, if you have to ask what is "NORMAL" , you probably aren't !
Failure may not be an OPTION, but it is ALWAYS a POSSIBILITY.
ALL systems are GO for MAYHEM, CHAOS, TURMOIL, FIASCOS, and HAVOC !

I was wondering about the Trident II, and now I think I have an answer. Which is, I shouldn't build one.

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John Thro, NAR #84553 SR
I was too old when I started! Now I'll *never* become a BAR!

The really funny thing about that comment is when you consider how long ago the Trident II was released. "Modern Estes" at this point was still 18 years ago; the Trident II was a 1990 catalog year kit, and was probably developed a year before that...

I'd be happy if Estes were to release this kit again, as long as they did so with the balsa parts like the original, instead of plastic parts. It wouldn't take much to whip it into a true Trident (three components, actually...).

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You can just get this really cool Super Trident from a fairly new vendor here in the Houston
area, Hawks Hobby:

http://www.hawkshobby.com/page11.html

I plan to get his (and many of their other kits) as soon as I can...

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Dave, NAR # 21853 SR.

Loretta, that would be great! The more information I have, the better. My e-mail addresses are in my signature.

Thanks!

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John Thro, NAR #84553 SR
I was too old when I started! Now I'll *never* become a BAR!

If you don't mind Loretta, please send me the info also.....cusdon@yahoo.com

Thanks.

Don
NAR 53455

Here is the Trident clone parts.
Quantity, Estes part #, Size, Suppliers part #

Patterns & Plans – Jim Z website

Thrustline Parts
Launch Lug – 1/8 inch –2inches long & 4 inches long – LL-1/8-12 –(pk of 6)
6 Adapter/Centering rings – 20-50 –CR2050-F - (6rings)
1 Thrust ring – CR520-P – ( pk of 6)
( Thrust Ring not on the original Estes but we recommend)

Semroc Parts
1 Engine Tube Holder – BT-20 – 2.75 inches (2 3/4inches) – BT-20J
3 Pod Tubes – BT-5 – 18 inches — BT-5
1 Lower Tube – BT-50 – 4 inches – BT-50S
1 Upper Tube – BT-50 – 9.5 inches ( 9 ½ inches) – BT-50W
1 Hollow Tube Coupler – For BT-50 – JT-50C
1 Standard length Engine Hook – EH-28
3 BNC–5E
3 BNC- 5W
1 BNC - 50J
1 BNC-50K
1 BNC-50Y

Other parts
Balsa Sheet - 3/16 thick x 3 in wide x 18 inches long – for the fins (This needs to be 3/32 balsa sorry. Mark)
Stand off Dowel 1/12 inch Estes recommended or you can use a 1/16 inch (1- 4 inch, 1 - 2 inch)
24 inch elastic
1 small eye screw (Estes way)
2 small eye screws ( Hawks Hobby way)
18 inch Kevler (Hawks Hobby way)
1 Parachute 18 inch
1 Decal –– Exclesior

If you want the white Centering Rings they can be found at AC Supply , however they have a $10.00 shipping fee. (
Centering Rings - FCR100 10 PC Flat Center Rings - (20 rings)
Thrust ring - ACCR0520 – (Pk of 20)

I think this is everything.

A couple of Hawks Hobby building tips for the Trident:

1. As you noticed we added a thrust ring.

2. Cut out the pod & body tubes port slots and attach 2 of the pods – before you install any nose cones ...this will make lining up the port slots easier to align. ( See Tip 3) Then install the 2 middle nose cones F & G ( Passenger & Atomic). Install the 3rd pod tube. Now install the rest of the nose cones. Doing it this way you can look into the tubes and make sure that the slots are aligned. ( This is how we did our clones and one of the changes we made to the instructions for our up-scale.)

3. Nose Cones / 2 eye screws / kevler- Install eye screw into the middle upper nose cone ( F Passenger) Tie the kevler shock cord anchor to the eye screw – apply a drop of glue to the knot- feed the cord through the tube -slotted end first. Glue nose cone in place as you normally would.( Finish tip 2) Tie a loop in the kevler and then tie the elastic through the loop and tie the other end of the elastic to the eye screw in the main nose cone as you normally would.
( This is another change we made to the clone and to our up-scales).

Hope the information & tips help.
Loretta

P.S. barone & JRThro check your email.

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Mark & Loretta
NAR#'s 85852 L1 @ NSL 2006, 85930 L1 @ NARAM 48
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