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NASA’s Mars Sample Return has a new price tag—and it’s colossal
From over at Ars Technica
...the Program Manager for the mission at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Richard Cook, and the director of the mission at NASA Headquarters, Jeff Gramling, briefed agency leaders last week on costs. They had some sobering news: the price had doubled. The development cost for the mission was no longer $4.4 billion. Rather, the new estimate put it at $8 to $9 billion.Complete article at https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/...-sticker-shock/
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But not NEARLY as colossal as sending humans there to CONTAMINATE Mars, forever preventing absolute certainty about life evolving there independently.
The recent Titan submersible accident is also an example of the human cost of sending humans instead of "robots" as well as the need provide large Earthlike volumes for humans not required for "robots." My alternative to the huge complexity of sample returns using the same philosophy as the Vikings, but vastly improved: Put miniature electron microscope (example in use on the ISS), miniature mass spectrometer (in development), miniature chem lab, etc., in immobile "lab landers" landed in multiple various promising places. Land small rovers in their area designed to just collect samples. Fly samples from each rover to the fixed lab via helicopter(s) landed with each rover. Same system could be used to collect and analyze samples already collected by Perseverance.
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And, BTW, the instruments for the lab I listed above were just a best case WAG.
Another, far less elaborate and expensive route for multiple site analysis: Biological Oxidant and Life Detection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biolo..._Life_Detection The Biological Oxidant and Life Detection (BOLD) is a concept mission to Mars focused on searching for evidence or biosignatures of microscopic life on Mars. The BOLD mission objective would be to quantify the amount of hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) existing in the Martian soil and to test for processes typically associated with life. Six landing packages are projected to impact 'softly' on Mars that include a limited power supply, a set of oxidant and life detection experiments, and a transmitter, which is able to transmit information via an existing Mars orbiter back to Earth. The mission was first proposed in 2012. The scientific objectives of the BOLD mission are: to identify the unknown oxidant in the Martian soil, which was postulated after the Viking program, and to probe whether there is extant life near the Martian surface. In contrast to the Viking mission, which was geared toward finding abundant heterotrophic life on Mars with a global distribution, the BOLD mission is aimed at a more comprehensive search including lithoautrophic and photosynthetic microbes, and a variety of biosignatures. If selected and funded, the carrier vehicle with the landing probes would be propelled into a circular orbit around Mars. The orbiter would be equipped with a small solid rocket to provide the deceleration required to insert the spacecraft in an entry trajectory that can safely release the probes on the Martian surface. A terrain navigation system, coupled with robust propulsion, potentially permits targeting with precision on the order of meters if required to meet the science objectives. Each probe would have a mass of 59 kilograms (130 pounds) with a science payload of less than 10 kilograms (22 lb). Each of the probes' lander system uses a parachute and a crushable shell behind the heat shield for a 'soft impact' landing. Upon landing, the science instruments at their tips would penetrate up to 30 centimeters (one foot) into Martian regolith, a depth sufficient to conduct accurate scientific measurements. The landing probes will be powered by batteries. The mission duration for each landing probe is anticipated to be 10 sols (10 Martian days). The envisioned instrument suite on each probe includes: The Multispectral Microscopic Imager experiment The Fluorescent Stain experiment The Nanopore-ARROW experiment The Chirality experiment The Hydrogen Peroxide experiment --------- A White Paper for the 2020 Planetary Sciences Decadal Survey of the National Academies MASEX - A Dedicated Life Detection Mission on Mars https://mepag.jpl.nasa.gov/reports/...032/LinYing.pdf --------- Sensor Being Developed to Check for Life on Mars 03.02.07 https://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/r...ars_sensor.html --------- And those are just some of the returns from a search on: mars lander life detection instruments https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mars+land...b=v314-1&ia=web
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Contaminate ??
WTH ? Not buying that guff/bunk/hawgwarsh/crapola/baloney/nonsense.
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There is no way that we have been able to keep bacteria completely off the 10 or so successful landings on Mars. Mars is already contaminated.
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Soft landing something large enough to fly back to orbit is a hugely challenging task - far more than landing on the moon was.
The problem with Mars is that is has an atmosphere - which is dense enough that friction heating during entry is a massive problem, but not dense enough to make winged flight practical. So you need to protect from atmospheric heating, then provide sufficient thrust to slow to a soft landing. Plus you need a lot more thrust on Mars to get back to orbit than they did on the moon, so the lander needs to be larger, which makes the first two problems just that much more challenging. |
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https://theconversation.com/coloniz...ive-life-103053 Excerpt: Given that the exploration of Mars has so far been limited to unmanned vehicles, the planet likely remains free from terrestrial contamination. But when Earth sends astronauts to Mars, they’ll travel with life support and energy supply systems, habitats, 3D printers, food and tools. None of these materials can be sterilized in the same ways systems associated with robotic spacecraft can. Human colonists will produce waste, try to grow food and use machines to extract water from the ground and atmosphere. Simply by living on Mars, human colonists will contaminate Mars. Going to Mars Could Mess Up the Hunt for Alien Life Elon Musk wants to send humans to the red planet. But even our robotic presence there risks contaminating Mars with invasive microbes. SEPTEMBER 25, 2016 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...s-planets-space Astrobiology Vol. 17, No. 10 Searching for Life on Mars Before It Is Too Late 1 Oct 2017 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/ast.2017.1703 Abstract excerpt: Planetary Protection policies as we conceive them today will no longer be valid as human arrival will inevitably increase the introduction of terrestrial and organic contaminants and that could jeopardize the identification of indigenous Martian life.
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If NASA wasn't blowing the majority of its budget on SPAM in a Can missions, we could afford all of this. Humans in space are high-mass, O2, H2O, food consuming units, none of that being available in space, and are also highly vulnerable to radiation. None of those are a factor for robotics and robotic and AI technologies are also highly useful on Earth, unlike $23 million zero-G toilets. Humans in space are dunsel and most of them are taking a risk for the same reason as the former Titan submersible occupants - a joy ride. Book - The End of Astronauts: Why Robots Are the Future of Exploration (2022) List of Solar System unmanned probes and accomplishments. List is 31 pages long: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...r_System_probes
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Basically, one case is doing everything possible to limit contamination. The other is flooding Mars with massive contamination which then dries up and blows everywhere on Mars.
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Timely video, but I don't care about contaminating the dead, boring moon, good maybe for robotic surface mining of Helium-3.
We Left What On The Moon? Jun 26, 2023 In addition to all the equipment, spacecraft, rovers, personal mementos left on the moon, astronauts left poop, urine, vomit, and garbage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdimsxIKzdE
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