Originally Posted by tdracer

Badboy Rocketry already has the Citation Patriot covered:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3252543674...AAOSwBP1iW6u m
(note that you need a Der Big Red Max kit and Sticker Shock decals to complete the rocket).

I built one recently - it came out real nice (the laser cut plywood parts are of good quality) - flew it over the weekend at Sod Busters on an H128W - flew beautifully.

Originally Posted by Initiator001

Turbo,

I agree that the SO LONG kit is the new PSII minimum diameter kit.

The SO LONG model is two stage 29mm motor powered. It uses 29mm tubes and a new long cone shaped nose cone. It will go over 3000 feet with 'F' motors.

In the 'old days' Estes had body tubes with a 29mm I.D. They were known as BT-52. Hmmm. Another possible source for 29mm motor tubes.

Originally Posted by Scott_650

Some tantalizing stuff from JB’s interview on TMRS 3.1:

- A new upscale using the 3” PSII DBRM nose cone. Which will it be? Here’s an edited list of most of the kits that used the 60AH cone, my guess is the Maxi Icarus or the Omega but wouldn’t an upscaled Patrol Cruiser Excalibur be awesome? Unlikely but awesome.

Patriot
Omega
Renegade
Mean Machine
Blue Ninja
Maxi Icarus
Patrol Cruiser Excalibur
Long John Silver
Arrow
Army Hawk
Screamin' Mimi

So what’s your guess?

- the new 29mm F50-ish motor is pretty much done testing and coming in the next year or so.

- a two-stage “minimum diameter” which I assume is BT-60 based, PSII kit.

- as has been discussed many, many times the “classic” plywood parts PSII kits - Leviathan, Argent, Ventris etc won’t be back unless Estes comes up with motors to fly them.

- Boren pretty much came out and said that the Mercury Atlas is coming soon.

- glider and helicopter kits don’t sell well but John loves designing them so we’ll keep seeing them but not too many at a time.

- a possible sci-fi kit that JB hasn’t shown management yet that he said was even more intricate than the QCC Explorer and the Black Star Voyager (his favorite design, by the way).

- a possible new scale sounding rocket.

- JB talked about Estes’ efforts to work out licensing with aerospace companies for additional scale kits. He talked at length about his personal Soyuz build.

- some possible new building tools - I’m betting sets of the slip-on style fin alignment tools.

- bring-backs will be one or two a year or every two years - John related he likes upsizing the bring-backs, they’re more interesting to design.

Originally Posted by frognbuff

Pretty sure it will actually be a Goblin or Blue Bird Zero. Don't forget the BT-55 version of that cone!

Originally Posted by LeeR

I knew I had seen that conversion kit! Buying a DBRM, the conversion kit, and Stickershock vinyl makes for a really expensive rocket! Somebody thought I was crazy for spending money on Stickershock DBRM decals to use on DBRM kit.

Originally Posted by LeeR

Love the name! I am not sure I’d be too confident successfully recovering this one!

I built a minimum diameter rocket for F15s this year, but have yet to fly it. (I have not launched a rocket since March, but may launch it next week.)
I figured this one could be a challenge to successfully fly, but it will be streamer recovery. It’s hard to photograph this rocket. Color is Tamiya Fluorescent Red, the glossiest, brightest paint I have ever used.