I noticed something perplexing today on Estes website under the listing for the Mars Longship.
It says E12-4 engines won't be available until Fall.
Is that old and for 2020 ( we are past Fall now and where are they ?)
or is this for 2021 and the E12 will be out for 10 freakin' months ??
We already have this situation with LOUSY AVAILABILITY for the 29mm E16/F15.
WTH ???

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I “think” it meant Fall 2020. Estes built a new motor making machine for Es and Fs, to improve quality (E12, E16, F15). The announcement I recall was from the July Manufacturers Forum. The machine was supposed to make motors, which, after curing, “should be available by Fall”. I have not heard any more since, but any slight delay would mean it could be next year, but hopefully early next year.

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Projects: Semroc Saturn 1B, Ken Foss Designs Mini Satellite Interceptor
In the Paint Shop: Nothing! Too cold!
Launch-Ready: Farside-X, Maxi Honest John, Super Scamp

Yes, I remember this from the Manufactures Forum as well. Hopefully we’ll all get an update from Bill Stine at the Manufacturers Forum at NARCON in January along with some other goodies like the 3” Der Red Max. My 3” Estes Doorknob is a sweet flyer on the F15 and I’m sure the new Max will be too

I have a good stock of E16 and F15’s but only two E12’s left.

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🚀 In Repair: SLS Lil’ Hustler, SLS Aero-Dart 1969 Trim
🚀 Stay Tuned For Fall 2021 Launch Dates

And let's not forget that, technically, it's still 'fall' -- until about Dec 21 or thereabouts.

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Yes...only 11 more days until the days start getting longer again! Yahoo!

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Quick check of the Wayback Machine shows the same exact webpage on 7 Aug 20 so I’d have to guess Estes meant Fall 2020.

Something like this?

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