I agree the issue with the Stine machine is regulatory. I suggest we (he and I) make a large run of motors and my foreign subsidiary certify them. Sell them foreign first, and shame DOT into approving them. It's all political.

Issue: He surrendered to Aerotech (RCS) and is their VP now.

Just Jerry

I thought there were only 2 killed. Someone said 4 plus an injury on Quest. 2 more+ with Aerotech? Most of the deaths and maimings now rest with RCS (Errortech). Wasn't (GH) Stine associated with General Mills/MPC in the Corona, CA incident in the 70's?

Facts are facts.

Jerry, you know how many variables there to making a good BP motor. And that goes up the greater the real estate. George was still learning new stuff, even though he hated to admit it, till the day he died. Even if you have all the paperwork and all the bells and whistles and the blessing of the Nanny Nation. There is a hell of a learning curve on not just hand loading a motor but mass producing them. Just saying.........................

I identify the issues openly to say there are two priorities:

Making motors for consumers.
Making them safely and legally.

Both are MAJOR obstacles.

There are several ways to approach the issue and we know who didn't succeed based on procedure and principal and history.

Jerry

6000 motor a day dude with zero tolerance for danger.

The entire industry has the sales of two McDonalds locations. I suggest we have the safety record of the entire McDonalds empire with those low $30m sales to begin with and ramp from there. Ok?

Just Jerry

I would not go into that business today in this country. It was bad enough 30-40 years ago. If you do your going to have to have some REAL deep pockets to do it today. While most of us old timers would like to have F100/F7s back. What is probably the real market for them?? How limited is the business after you spend thousands upon thousands of dollars in regulations and safety and insurance then you want to make motors on new equipment that's state of the art. (cant just buy those at grainger). Some things aren't just realistic. I could be wrong. Hope I am.

You can make F7's and B14's all day long. You cannot get past the "gatekeepers".

cite:

http://v-serv.com/usr/motors/f7.html

alternative geometry:

http://v-serv.com/usr/motors/b4.html

Jerry,

I was looking at the other Single-Use motors on your website . . .

Are ALL of those motors "in stock" and ready to ship ?

I'm interested in your 13mm - 24mm motors.

How do you handle orders, "regulations", and shipping, etc ?

Dave

I'd be happy with double-base propellant motors, whose propellant falls between BP and composite propellant in ISP. Plus, they produce the dark reddish-brown plume with the "afterburning" behind it, which would be scale-realistic for scale models of Nike- and Honest John-based sounding rockets.

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At the time they were certified they were in stock and ready to ship. I am slowly working the issue of recertification, but frankly the market is so small and destroys more capital than it creates, it is strictly an out of pocket high cost hobby to do so.

It is no trouble at all to take a commercial order for thousands of units of any or most of those motors if you want to try to go into the motor business yourself. I expect the minimum order would be around $20k.

They have shipping approvals now in EU for all levels of shipping and for 1.3C in USA with more lower levels on the way. I suspect when 1.4C status is granted we will submit at least a sampling of motors to NAR.

Our real goal is to have the slow burning solids used officially declared not subject to HMR, as they always should have been based on physics.

There are plenty of alternative compliance methods besides NAR/TRA/CAR certs. For those markets we have been shipping for years. Made to order.

Witness the brouhaha over Jet Hitch. K and L motors to adult general consumers with no permits of any kind (properly) for use in non-traditional (jackass) applications.

Jerry

cite:

http://www.rocketryforum.com/showth...hlight=jethitch

http://www.rocketryforum.com/showth...959#post1457959

So, basically, none of the motors displayed for sale on your website, showing specs and retail pricing, actually exist and haven't for quite some time, is that right ?

Does the same thing apply to the Full-Line of U.S. Rockets kits on the website, too ? I've noticed that online sources for your kits only carry a few simple kits.

Dave F.