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Old 05-11-2023, 02:39 PM
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I've never found a definitive answer as to why bismuth is so cheap. I'm sure there's a limited demand factor (LOL, Pepto Bismol), but maybe ease of refining, too? Super common byproduct of some other metal refining process? There is such a radical price difference between them.

(Relative mass abundance) vs price

Gold (4) - $64,786.65/kg
Platinum (5) - $34,304.85/kg
Bismuth (8.5) - $9.37/kg
Silver (75) - $821.45/kg

Bismuth

https://www.britannica.com/science/bismuth

Bismuth (Bi), the most metallic and the least abundant of the elements in the nitrogen group (Group 15 [Va] of the periodic table).
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Old 05-11-2023, 03:15 PM
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I've never found a definitive answer as to why bismuth is so cheap. I'm sure there's a limited demand factor (LOL, Pepto Bismol), but maybe ease of refining, too? Super common byproduct of some other metal refining process? There is such a radical price difference between them.

(Relative mass abundance) vs price

Gold (4) - $64,786.65/kg
Platinum (5) - $34,304.85/kg
Bismuth (8.5) - $9.37/kg
Silver (75) - $821.45/kg

Bismuth

https://www.britannica.com/science/bismuth

Bismuth (Bi), the most metallic and the least abundant of the elements in the nitrogen group (Group 15 [Va] of the periodic table).


I know why, but it's none of your bismuth.



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Old 05-11-2023, 03:57 PM
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Try pricing Rhodium.
It was $242,738.14 per Kg today or $7550.00 per oz.
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I'm sure there's a limited demand factor (LOL, Pepto Bismol)...

Bismuth is used in lead alloys and solder. Look up bismuth crystals. One thing about Bismuth that is sort of freaky is that it has this huge half-life - ~20,000,000,000,000,000,000 years. Easily a buhzillion years.
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When I was in high school I won a wager on the weight of gold. I told my friends that a 14” cube of pure gold weighs a ton. They said I was crazy and we wagered $10 bucks. Our physics/chemistry teacher did the math and proved I was right.
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As a high schooler, I probably would have taken on that bet, too. Hard to believe that just 14 cubic inches of gold or most any metal would weigh a ton, but I guess it does.

I do recall hearing as an elementary age kid that a gallon of mercury weighed (I think) 75 pounds! I thought that was pretty hard to believe at the time (though I knew mercury was pretty heavy), but I just checked and it actually weighs 112 pounds!!

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Try pricing Rhodium.
It was $242,738.14 per Kg today or $7550.00 per oz.


this is why cordless sawzalls are so popular
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That's a good point. I know that there's Rhodium and Platinum in a catalytic converter. I don't know what other valuable metals are in one. I can look it up on the internet, because as we all know everything on the internet is 100% true and 100% current.
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I suspected it might be a combination of both low demand and being a byproduct of some other refining and I think that's it. Found this while searching on "bismuth prospecting":

All about bismuth in the US.

https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/m...022-bismuth.pdf

Bismuth Statistics and Information

https://www.usgs.gov/centers/nation...and-information

Bismuth is mainly a byproduct of lead ore processing.
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I know why, but it's none of your bismuth.
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