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Old 01-09-2024, 01:39 PM
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Default Artemis 2 Launch Delayed Almost a Year

In a media conference today, NASA has announced that the Artemis 2 launch scheduled for November 2024 has been pushed back to September 2025. This means that the Artemis 3 launch will occur no earlier than September 2026. The reason given for the delay was crew safety concerns.

"Safety is our top priority, and to give Artemis teams more time to work through the challenges with first-time developments, operations and integration, we're going to give more time on Artemis 2 and 3," NASA Administrator Bill Nelson said during the briefing.

More on Space.com at https://www.space.com/nasa-artemis-...-september-2025
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Old 01-09-2024, 01:55 PM
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The flight crew is gonna be pretty tired of hearing about that mission by the time they actually fly it!

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The flight crew is gonna be pretty tired of hearing about that mission by the time they actually fly it!

Or be ready to retire...
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It's fun to read the SpaceX haters on forums and FB blaming the postponement on Starship. A few are blaming it on EVA suits as well, even though the Artemis 2 launch will just be a modern Apollo 8 style mission.

I will be seriously impressed if Starship gets to fly enough times in 2024 to even have a shot and completing an orbit this year, much less have a lander version ready by 2026. Even if they churn them out by the dozens, which seems impossible, it looks like the FAA, EPA, and TPWD will continue to find new things to delay them and put the lander even farther behind. However, that has nothing to do with Orion needing some new Polapluse P-100 batteries.
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It's sadly amazing to watch the differences between NASA and Space X real time.
NASA has managed to make SLS so expensive that - best case - they can only afford to fly one ~ once/year. Meanwhile Space X is already flying Starship every few months - and they are still in the prototype stage.
I have little doubt Space X will get to the moon before NASA.

I really despair at what the can-do NASA of the 1960s has morphed into in the 21st Century.
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Old 01-09-2024, 03:51 PM
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Did a little digging to refresh my memory.

Apollo - Initial announcement of program to go to the moon - 1961
Total time/experience in space at time announced - 15 minutes, 22 seconds (ballistic - no orbit)
Project success in 1969 - 8 years from initial concept to completion

Artemis - A Program to go back to the moon. NASA and contractors involved have thousands of hours of space experience. One launch thus far of the system, none manned and no landing. Total time from concept to today - 18 years

Orion - Development began in 2006. Issues listed for delay
- heat shield
- life support
- ingress/egress
- abort system

SLS - Development began in 2011. Issues listed for delay
- rapid propellant loading


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I really despair at what the can-do NASA of the 1960s has morphed into in the 21st Century.

It's now just a typical government agency - a civil service bureaucracy with all the modern mores and features that you would expect to find.
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It's sadly amazing to watch the differences between NASA and Space X real time.
NASA has managed to make SLS so expensive that - best case - they can only afford to fly one ~ once/year. Meanwhile Space X is already flying Starship every few months - and they are still in the prototype stage.
I have little doubt Space X will get to the moon before NASA.

I really despair at what the can-do NASA of the 1960s has morphed into in the 21st Century.


The can-do NASA died in the early 1970's when the career bureaucrats finally gained control of the agency from the engineers.
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Apollo - Initial announcement of program to go to the moon - 1961
Total time/experience in space at time announced - 15 minutes, 22 seconds (ballistic - no orbit)
Project success in 1969 - 8 years from initial concept to completion

Including a 20 month stand down after a fatal pad fire.

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What is wrong here???

We do not have to beat the Soviets...


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