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Old 07-06-2020, 07:04 PM
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Earl - Yes! ... so I received my large #6 knife in the No. 80 Whittlers Set today! Very well pleased and as you stated "absolutely mint" with just a little oxidation on a few of the blades. To document what was in my set I received the large #6 handle with a #24 blade chucked in it and five blades in a No. 2 Asst. [assortment] set that included one #24, two #19, one #23X and one #22.

I'd like to mention something that I noticed when comparing what I received today to what was actually pictured in the eBay post as well as what is pictured in an image that I was emailed from Sue when I bought my smaller #6 knife handle from her not long after she made up my small custom set. In the image Sue sent, the knife in the middle of the image is actually the handle that I received from the eBay seller today. In the eBay image, that #6 handle in the sellers image is the same as the #6 handle all the way on the right in Sue's image. Notice the difference in the collet it is more rounded on top. [I don't have an issue with this as I am not trying to collect all the different #6 handle variants I just wanted a small one and a large one and I now have both of those]. There is also a third "larger" style #6 handle that isn't pictured in any of these images I can post that if anyone wants to see one. I believe I still have an image in my email from Sue with that other large type #6.

Earl does your #6 handle look like the eBay sellers image or more like what I received today? Just curious ...

This is cool how rocketry has lead to the collection of modeling tools,, which I too enjoy. Nice going..... mine are old too. Dan.
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Old 07-06-2020, 07:50 PM
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Earl - Yes! ... so I received my large #6 knife in the No. 80 Whittlers Set today! Very well pleased and as you stated "absolutely mint" with just a little oxidation on a few of the blades. To document what was in my set I received the large #6 handle with a #24 blade chucked in it and five blades in a No. 2 Asst. [assortment] set that included one #24, two #19, one #23X and one #22.

I'd like to mention something that I noticed when comparing what I received today to what was actually pictured in the eBay post as well as what is pictured in an image that I was emailed from Sue when I bought my smaller #6 knife handle from her not long after she made up my small custom set. In the image Sue sent, the knife in the middle of the image is actually the handle that I received from the eBay seller today. In the eBay image, that #6 handle in the sellers image is the same as the #6 handle all the way on the right in Sue's image. Notice the difference in the collet it is more rounded on top. [I don't have an issue with this as I am not trying to collect all the different #6 handle variants I just wanted a small one and a large one and I now have both of those]. There is also a third "larger" style #6 handle that isn't pictured in any of these images I can post that if anyone wants to see one. I believe I still have an image in my email from Sue with that other large type #6.

Earl does your #6 handle look like the eBay sellers image or more like what I received today? Just curious ...


Ok, let me check. It may be the same as yours, but I am not sure now that you mention it. BTW, I think that ‘script’ Xacto logo is their oldest logo. I have seen a partial page of a 1951 Xacto catalog and this Whittlers set is on that catalog page.

When you get a chance, yes, post a photo of the third #6 handle; I’d like to see it. And I’ll check my set and see which variety of #6 handle I received. Could be the seller’s inventory had ‘transitional’ examples as this #6 handle evolved. We have all seen it happen with rocket kits where certain parts — nose cones, transitions, decals, etc. changed and evolved during the years a given kit was produced.

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Old 07-06-2020, 08:16 PM
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Ok, checked my #6 and it appears to be like the photo in the seller’s listing. It is interesting to see the variety. Otherwise, your set and my set look identical.

It is amazing to me how well preserved the outer cardboard boxes are! No fading, no brittle cardboard, no discoloration, dark patches, fading, etc. They must have had these VERY well stored the last 70-75 years. And the inner wood box is just simply pristine, as was the knife.

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Steve-

Ok, checked my #6 and it appears to be like the photo in the seller’s listing. It is interesting to see the variety. Otherwise, your set and my set look identical.

It is amazing to me how well preserved the outer cardboard boxes are! No fading, no brittle cardboard, no discoloration, dark patches, fading, etc. They must have had these VERY well stored the last 70-75 years. And the inner wood box is just simply pristine, as was the knife.

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Okay, I have a bit of info on the #6 handles that Sue sent to me today to help identify the different versions. I asked her for pictures from her personal collection and Sue sent me these images as well as permission to post her photos here to assist collecting the other styles, if one is so inclined to do so. Personally I did want to add that out of all the #6 purchases that you and Sue and I made from this eBay seller only mine has that “flat head” collet style. Her findings are below:

“ Hey Steve -Here's some additional pics. I've wrapped some of my personal handles in grip tape and that's what you see with the red handle.
Despite the red tape, you can still clearly see 3 different handle sizes (postiions #2,3 and 4, looking from handle upward orientation).

And I notice there's 3 different necks, (positions #2,3,4), and #3 is a little longer than #1,2 and 4.
I also included the flat head as well as the rounded "egg head" collet style.
The squares on my cutting mat are 1" for reference.

Just an FYI, I looked over my older stuff in my collection, and I noticed the exact same egg head collet is used in the very early (but not the first handle) #2 handles, (and is interchangeable) which leads me to believe the egg head came first, and the flat head succeeded it....as I haven't come across any old style handles with the flat head.”

So, probably as you suggested mine is a transitional #6 handle version with Xacto moving from an older style to a newer style collet design even though my packaging, Xacto logo & set contents along with the procurement dating that you obtained from the seller suggest the same original purchase time frame from Xacto.

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Old 07-07-2020, 08:20 PM
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Okay, I have a bit of info on the #6 handles that Sue sent to me today to help identify the different versions. I asked her for pictures from her personal collection and Sue sent me these images as well as permission to post her photos here to assist collecting the other styles, if one is so inclined to do so. Personally I did want to add that out of all the #6 purchases that you and Sue and I made from this eBay seller only mine has that “flat head” collet style. Her findings are below:

“ Hey Steve -Here's some additional pics. I've wrapped some of my personal handles in grip tape and that's what you see with the red handle.
Despite the red tape, you can still clearly see 3 different handle sizes (postiions #2,3 and 4, looking from handle upward orientation).

And I notice there's 3 different necks, (positions #2,3,4), and #3 is a little longer than #1,2 and 4.
I also included the flat head as well as the rounded "egg head" collet style.
The squares on my cutting mat are 1" for reference.

Just an FYI, I looked over my older stuff in my collection, and I noticed the exact same egg head collet is used in the very early (but not the first handle) #2 handles, (and is interchangeable) which leads me to believe the egg head came first, and the flat head succeeded it....as I haven't come across any old style handles with the flat head.”

So, probably as you suggested mine is a transitional #6 handle version with Xacto moving from an older style to a newer style collet design even though my packaging, Xacto logo & set contents along with the procurement dating that you obtained from the seller suggest the same original purchase time frame from Xacto.



Steve-

Wow, ok thanks for the info and photos from Sue! That’s neat to see the side by side comparisons.

Ya know, looking closely at Sue’s images (and from the overall ‘feel’ I had about my #6 from this purchase) is that I think the #6 handle that I got in this purchase (like the one Sue got too, with the ‘egg head’ collet) is a ‘cast’ piece and not ‘machined’ like it seems other handles are. If you look at the middle photo in your post, you can see the rotational machined marks in the metal along the neck on the three handles to the left of the egg head collect handle. But that handle, the far right one, no machining marks can be seen.

I did not know exactly what it was about the general feel of mine when I first opened it and looked it over, but I think that is it. It is a cast piece and has no machining on the shank or handle, except on the very tip of the shank of course so the collect can screw on.

Thanks for getting with Sue and getting her comparison photos. One could think that in the late 40s and early 50s, products and production methods were probably developing rapidly. If one had very early examples of the #1, #2, and #5 handles, there may be many variations of those products also.

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