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Old 01-05-2022, 05:33 PM
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I was able to verify that Kevin Brown, Ken Brown's son, is the one keeping the QCR website http://www.qcrhobbies.com/sport.html going. Kevin called me and said that he still has model rocketry items left from his dad's QCR business and he is occasionally selling some of his dad's model rocketry items. Kevin is keeping the website going as a remembrance of his dad.

On the QCR Bumper Shoot/Bumbershoot kit #530, he mentioned that his dad flew one of those at a demo launch in Washington, D.C. and a politician (not sure which one) was there. The Bumbershoot went unstable and Ken was told that he could not sell that kit anymore. So, now, Kevin said he did not feel comfortable sharing those plans because of that incident.

The anniversary of Ken Brown's passing is approaching. Ken Brown passed away on January 8, 2015. He was 90 years old.

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Thank you for the information Jeff and itís nice to read about the history of that stuff. Iím glad Kenís son is keeping the site and information active.
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Old 01-05-2022, 06:33 PM
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On the QCR Bumper Shoot/Bumbershoot kit #530, he mentioned that his dad flew one of those at a demo launch in Washington, D.C. and a politician (not sure which one) was there. The Bumbershoot went unstable and Ken was told that he could not sell that kit anymore. So, now, Kevin said he did not feel comfortable sharing those plans because of that incident.

Fricking bizarre. WHO would have the authority to tell him he could not sell that kit anymore, based on one bad flight????

Because there are a crapload of kits thru the years that woulda been banned. Like the original Estes R2D2 model, and the original Estes NASA shuttle kit, that sometimes veered off and crashed.

Also the beloved Mars Lander, went unstable A LOT.
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Old 01-05-2022, 06:49 PM
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I would love to replace some of the QCR models I have flown away or crashed. I think I met Ken at a RAMTEC in the 90s. I have more than 50 flights with QCR kits, some with the hand carved nosecones.
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Old 01-05-2022, 09:58 PM
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Fricking bizarre. WHO would have the authority to tell him he could not sell that kit anymore, based on one bad flight????

Because there are a crapload of kits thru the years that woulda been banned. Like the original Estes R2D2 model, and the original Estes NASA shuttle kit, that sometimes veered off and crashed.

Also the beloved Mars Lander, went unstable A LOT.


Yeah, I thought that was bizarre also. Just relaying the story that I was told by Ken's son, Kevin. Maybe the difference maker was the politician, whoever it was. Kevin may have more details, but that is all he told me so far. I've left him a voicemail message. Perhaps I can find out more information if he calls me back. I'm still hoping to persuade him to share the Mary Poppins Bumbershoot instructions.

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Old 01-05-2022, 10:41 PM
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Yeah, I thought that was bizarre also. Just relaying the story that I was told by Ken's son, Kevin. Maybe the difference maker was the politician, whoever it was. Kevin may have more details, but that is all he told me so far. I've left him a voicemail message. Perhaps I can find out more information if he calls me back. I'm still hoping to persuade him to share the Mary Poppins Bumbershoot instructions.

May be a matter of misunderstanding. I could see the club saying ďDonít fly that at a DEMO anymoreĒ. And/or Ken deciding not to kit it anymore, for his own personal choice. But Kevin may not have heard the story correctly.

Because if it is true, anyone officially ordering him to stop selling the kit, would be WAY out of bounds. I do not care who the heck they are.
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May be a matter of misunderstanding. I could see the club saying ďDonít fly that at a DEMO anymoreĒ. And/or Ken deciding not to kit it anymore, for his own personal choice. But Kevin may not have heard the story correctly.

Because if it is true, anyone officially ordering him to stop selling the kit, would be WAY out of bounds. I do not care who the heck they are.


George, I tip my hat to you. I admire your stand your ground attitude.
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Old 01-07-2022, 10:19 AM
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That's some interesting history on the Bumbershoot - definitely let me know if you do manage to get a copy of the plans! Even with the engine in, the whole thing feels nose-heavy, but I didn't have any issues with it flying upwards (yet - think I've had 3-4 flights with it so far).

I flew it on a D12-0, which is friction-fitted with masking tape. The umbrella at the top is kept furled during flight by thread wrapped around it, then threaded through some eye-bolts and holes in the body tube. At ejection, the thread burns through, and releases the umbrella to spring open (it's one of those "automatic" umbrellas). As it descends, it tends to shift from an upright orientation to a more tip down one, but it did land gently. For storage, it still has the umbrella snap-strap to wrap around and keep the umbrella closed.

I've added some detail photos for folks to check out. The red threading shows how the umbrella was secured for launch.
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Here are some additional pix of it in flight, plus a shot of the nosecone.

It flew up pretty straight, and opened upright, then tended to tip over to a more sideways orientation as it descended.
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Here are some additional pix of it in flight, plus a shot of the nosecone.

It flew up pretty straight, and opened upright, then tended to tip over to a more sideways orientation as it descended.


Wow, great photos and flight, Thanks for posting them!!
Interesting how it tips sideways and recovers somewhat nose down. I suppose that may minimize the distance it might drift away from the launch pads.
The photo with it coming down sideways kind of looks like one of those little umbrellas they put in cocktail drinks.
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