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03-26-2013, 12:34 PM
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You do not make sense. They are in business to make a profit. Are you claiming they are making up excuses with no basis in reality for some unstated reason (to spite you personally?) to avoid making these motors and therby avoid making additional profit? Send them a business proposal to fund the manufacturing of B14 motors in exchange for some portion of the profits. Think of it as YORF "Shark Tank". If you make a good presentation and offer, you will be a hero.
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03-26-2013, 03:02 PM
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It has been an enldess stream of hokum/buffoonery/guff/bunk/baloney regarding these motors and why they can't be done. Lame-O excuses have ranged from the Ridiculous- "They won't sell" to the Nonsensical- "It can't be done" to flat-out CROCK O' BULL "Can't safely be done".
ALL are hogwarsh. If they could be MANUALLY drilled profitably back in the 60's/70's, they certainly could be cheaper and safer in 2013 with automated equipment. A premium would gladly be paid for them too. Heck, FSI manually RAMMED propellant for the F100, E60, and D20 well into the 90's. They need to get off their 'safety above all else' bandwagoon and give the customers what they want. No excuses, GET IT DONE. Excuses are like @#$%^&*%; everybody has one and they ALL STINK LIKE CRAPOLA ! 4th of July skyrockets are made with FAR fewer safeguards than the motors are. I propose that is GOOD ENUFF !!! I could easily use a case in mixed delays. Everyone knows bigger numbers (14) sell better than little ones (4 or 6), whether one knows what the number means or not.
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When in doubt, WHACK the GAS and DITCH the brake !!! Yes, there is such a thing as NORMAL, if you have to ask what is "NORMAL" , you probably aren't ! Failure may not be an OPTION, but it is ALWAYS a POSSIBILITY. ALL systems are GO for MAYHEM, CHAOS, TURMOIL, FIASCOS, and HAVOC !
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#253
03-26-2013, 03:49 PM
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Maybe I did not ask this clearly enough?
EXACTLY why are they refusing to do this if - as you claim - they could do so and make a profit and do so safely? Are they refusing and missing out on the profit simply to spite you personally? Are they INSANE?????? Please explain clearly and without the usual psychotic rambling that makes us form a mental image of your computer screen becoming covered with spittle as you froth and rant. Or, maybe, just maybe, you are completely and utterly wrong. I said 'maybe'. (AND, I do not like sauerkraut at all, but I understand that other people love it, so I do not go on an endless tirade about it as if I was someone who would ban the production of it simply because it makes me want to barf.) Quote:
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03-27-2013, 09:29 AM
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Bite me, Fred !
If this was not a 'family friendly' forum, I would say "KMA, you condescending irritant !"- you figure out what the letters stand for. I'm thinking of setting up a poll on this site asking one simple question- Who's posts do you prefer more ? Those from ghrocketman or shreadvector ? That's a good idea...think I will do that.
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03-27-2013, 10:05 AM
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Thank yop Fred!
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03-27-2013, 10:44 AM
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What's a yop, dale ?
As for the 'endless tirade' about kraut you speak of, if you don't like the channel, change it WITHOUT WHINING or useless condescending smart-@$$ed comments. If others did not find it entertaining, they would not comment. It's a wonder fred has any time to comment here with all the time he must devote to his role of 'shipment cop' ! 'NUFF SAID !
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03-27-2013, 11:13 AM
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03-27-2013, 11:56 AM
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Vote in the poll then.
While I find it hard to believe, some actually prefer his condescending, pompous, smart-@$$ed answers.
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When in doubt, WHACK the GAS and DITCH the brake !!! Yes, there is such a thing as NORMAL, if you have to ask what is "NORMAL" , you probably aren't ! Failure may not be an OPTION, but it is ALWAYS a POSSIBILITY. ALL systems are GO for MAYHEM, CHAOS, TURMOIL, FIASCOS, and HAVOC !
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#259
03-27-2013, 01:06 PM
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Anyone who really wants B14s, I suggest that you carefully drill a 1/8 hole one inch deep (actual hole size to be determined by experiment) through the nozzle of a C6-5 and see what happens.
Possible results: Experimenters wil be able to launch heavier rockets than the rest of us. Experimenters will convince manufactures to produce B14 and other core burning motors. Experimenters will remove themselves from the gene pool. I'm sure there are other possible results. That's why we experiment. Mike PS This is called "sarcasm". The intention is to reduce the tensions (which are approching ridiculous levels) in this rant. Do NOT modify a commercial motor.
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#260
03-27-2013, 01:11 PM
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The C6 nozzle is too small to be compatible with the thrust level of port-burning. It turns the engine into an M-80.
The only 18mm engine I have found to be compatible with this mod is the B4. It generally works there as the nozzle is of a uniform large diameter, but would NEVER suggest anyone do this themselves. I have in the past but would never suggest anyone else do so. Would not use a 1/8 drill either. 3/32 or 5/64 would be my choice.
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When in doubt, WHACK the GAS and DITCH the brake !!! Yes, there is such a thing as NORMAL, if you have to ask what is "NORMAL" , you probably aren't ! Failure may not be an OPTION, but it is ALWAYS a POSSIBILITY. ALL systems are GO for MAYHEM, CHAOS, TURMOIL, FIASCOS, and HAVOC !
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