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Old 01-11-2011, 08:03 AM
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Wow, exciting prospects! Engine survey complete! My stash of shorties is dwindling; I'd love to see them return as I built several rockets for shorties.

I'm most interested in motors that are a bit different than those currently available....mainly toward one or the other extreme: either long burn low thrust or short burn high thrust.

I'll go broke if even half of that list is released.

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Old 01-11-2011, 12:03 PM
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Carl,
Fear not, I will not BREAK the B14 buttons, but WILL exercise them well.
Honestly I figured you were probably the ONLY company that was willing to actually produce motors we are ASKING for.
Had a little hope for the "new" Estes, but they obviously are choosing to ignore what many ask for.
When you get up and running, I will order plenty.
If you produce even 1/3 of the 18mm ones listed, especially the high-thrust port-burners, I can't see myself ordering/buying 18mm BP motors from anyone else for a LOOOONGG time if ever.
I would have no use for the boring/vanilla offerings by "E" or "Q" any longer, and for 24mm and up I would probably just go 100% reloadable composite.
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Old 01-12-2011, 09:39 AM
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Carl-
Any plan as to when we may see a few samples of these new motors even experimentally ?
Personally I don't even care if they EVER get certified as that means NOTHING to me-just more un-needed BALONEY regulation.
- I would still fly them on my private land if I could get my hands on them-
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Old 01-12-2011, 09:46 AM
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Carl-
Any plan as to when we may see a few samples of these new motors even experimentally ?
Personally I don't even care if they EVER get certified as that means NOTHING to me-just more un-needed BALONEY regulation.
- I would still fly them on my private land if I could get my hands on them-
GH

We cannot sell them or ship them without certification, governmental agency testing, EX-numbers, and USPS approval.
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Old 01-12-2011, 10:07 AM
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We cannot sell them or ship them without certification, governmental agency testing, EX-numbers, and USPS approval.

I guess we'll have to drive to NC then for beta testing pickup.
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Old 01-12-2011, 10:43 AM
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I guess we'll have to drive to NC then for beta testing pickup.

Is this one of those "if you build it, they (he) will come" things like the voice refered to in FOD?
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Old 01-12-2011, 12:20 PM
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I'd bet if you tranport them to NARAM and gave samples out to a select few for private evaluation at the end of the next NARAM you would get some feedback shortly afterward.
I'd like to see DE-regulation of BP motors the same way AP was via the lawsuit ruling vs BATFE.
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I'd like to see DE-regulation of BP motors the same way AP was via the lawsuit ruling vs BATFE.


I would love to see it too, but it won't happen. APCP is not an explosive, but BP actually is a low explosive. I for one am thankful that Vern, G. Harry, Carlisle, or whoever deserves the credit, actually got the exemption so it could be shipped USPS and we've been able to keep it all these years.
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Old 01-12-2011, 03:40 PM
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ghrocketman said: "I'd bet if you tranport them to NARAM and gave samples out to a select few for private evaluation at the end of the next NARAM you would get some feedback shortly afterward."

Actually, SEMROC could demo the motors with S&T approval. At NARAM-11 FSI flew a modify E5 that had the separate charges and delays like the motor Carl mentioned early in this thread. I was there and it was interesting. I believe it was mentioned in the N11 coverage in Model Rocketry Magazine. Quest had a few D8 motors that were flown at the last NARAM.

I agree with Ltvscout, ROAD TRIP!

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I would love to see it too, but it won't happen. APCP is not an explosive, but BP actually is a low explosive. I for one am thankful that Vern, G. Harry, Carlisle, or whoever deserves the credit, actually got the exemption so it could be shipped USPS and we've been able to keep it all these years.
Now that the House of Representatives (as well as a significant fraction of the Senate) has changed hands, pushing for liberalization of the U.S. Postal System's regulations regarding shipping model rocket motors would be a good thing. It's ridiculous that it's kosher if the box has the correct "magic" sticker from a permit-holding shipper, yet it's "unsafe" if you or I or "Joe hobby shop owner" mails a box of motors. Marking a box "DOT Class C Toy Propellant Device" used to be good enough for anyone to mail motors, and there is no reason why it couldn't be again. Bringing up this issue to our legislators from the "angles" of creating more jobs by removing this barrier to business as well as the educational and social benefits of model rocketry (it keeps kids engaged and off the streets) should get their attention and interest.
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