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Old 03-27-2021, 07:42 PM
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It was established earlier that the explosion occurred on or about June 11, 1971. All the manufacturing dates we've seen pictured are before that date.

If they outsourced after, who would they have outsourced to at that time?


What is the name of that German company that Quest outsourced to ?

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at one time in the 80's it was WECO.....I think WECO eventually became Klima.
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Old 03-27-2021, 09:37 PM
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at one time in the 80's it was WECO.....I think WECO eventually became Klima.



No, WECO is a BIG company, and the only fireworks manufacturer in Germany left.

KLIMA is probably a WECO dealer, but they make their own rocket motors.
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Saxon Fireworks (Saschen Feurwerks -- later WECO) . Same one MRC outsourced to. I don't think they were making model rocket motors back in 1971. Hard to find original info about Saxon as that is also the name of a type of firework. I don't know if they merged with WECO or if WECO just started also supplying Quest after Saxon folded.

The type of nozzle and clay composition made me think back in the day that MPC was making the Cox motors all along.. 1. does anyone have a Cox motor with a manufacture date later than 6/11/71? 2. does anyone have a Cox motor with a nozzle significantly different than the ones made before 6/11/71?
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Saxon Fireworks (Saschen Feurwerks -- later WECO) . Hard to find original info about Saxon as that is also the name of a type of firework. I don't know if they merged with WECO or if WECO just started also supplying Quest after Saxon folded.


https://www.google.com/search?q=%22...HSIJA9MQ4dUDCAw


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Yes, not really a great deal of information there.
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Yes, not really a great deal of information there.


I figured it might be a good starting point.

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The company WECO was founded in September 1948 by Mr. Hermann Weber under the name "PYRO-CHEMIE, HERMANN WEBER & CO." In Eitorf.

Initially, they specialized in the production of sparklers. From 1954, the company concentrated on the production of large, small and stage fireworks and technical items.

Today, WECO is the only fireworks company in Europe with substantial in-house production capacities. At the German locations in Eitorf, Freiberg and Kiel, around 40 percent of total sales are produced in-house.

The product range of our own production includes rockets, fireworks batteries, volcanoes, cannon strikes, rubbing head crackers, sparklers, table fireworks, crackers as well as a wide range of large and stage fireworks and some technical items. Weco Feuerwerk is the market leader on the German and European market and sees itself as an innovation leader in the field of fireworks. An average of more than 50 new products per year are developed at the German locations. Constant product improvements are a matter of course for WECO.

Weco is primarily geared towards the decentralized delivery of the main target groups discounters, large and small-scale food retailers, self-service chains as well as wholesalers and specialist retailers. In addition, the company is increasingly active in export. These include the foreign subsidiaries in France, England, Croatia, Slovenia and Switzerland as well as the partner companies in Austria and the Netherlands.

Weco is not only characterized by its high-quality and effective New Year's Eve fireworks, but has also made a name for itself in Germany, Europe and the world through its expertise in music-synchronized large-scale fireworks. In 2000 the world championship was won for the first time at the Great Fireworks World Championships in Montreal. In 2004, the company finally won the anniversary competition in Montreal and is henceforth known as the “world champion of world champions”. The company WECO has been organizing the "Cologne Lights" annually since 2001, which is one of the largest fireworks events in Germany with over 1 million enthusiastic visitors.


Via an MBO, the company was handed over from Mr. Frank Weber-Picard in 2003 to Mr. Thomas Schreiber and Dieter Kuchheuser, who had been managing director since 1998. Today the company is run exclusively by managing partners. The current management consists of Mr. Thomas Schreiber, Mr. Thomas Kahn and Mr. Jürgen Bluhm.

Today, WECO employs around 400 people worldwide and, with a market share of over 65 percent, is not only the industry leader in Germany, but also the only company that still manufactures fireworks in Germany itself - and with high quality "Made in Germany".

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https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WECO_Feuerwerk
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.. and in the same general area if you look at a map and squint.


Just curious if anyone here has actually flown any of the Adast motors back in the day? Bill Spadafora mounted one in the NAR test stand ( See this link:
< https://forums.rocketshoppe.com/sho...highlight=adast > ) and in the same thread, someone mentioned that these were known as the 'Widow Makers', but I seem to remember it was different motor that earned that dubious moniker, and that the Adast were pretty stable.
Can anyone confirm or deny?
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The "Widow Makers" were 10 nt-sec motors in fiberglass casings. I have one in an ammo can buried under other ammo cans. But, I digress.
I believe the propellant was neither black powder nor composite. It was also unstable after time. I will dig it out if no one else had one easily available.

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