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foamy 07-03-2013 07:46 AM

Just out of curiousity...
 
I'm wondering what you good folks at Semroc have coming out next.

I couldn't resist the Centurion D (the Centurion is one of my all-time favorite designs. I really am a simple guy) and Maxi-Micron when they appeared in April and the Nike-Tomahawk before that, and on and on as long as I've been a re-BAR and customer—which are one and the same.

I always look forward to your new kits and am curious as to what's on the upcoming menu—if you're at liberty to divulge them. If not, I'll happily and patiently wait until you're ready.

tbzep 07-03-2013 09:20 AM

Foamy, check out the "coming soon" kits on this page.
http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts/Kits.asp


:cool:

foamy 07-03-2013 11:09 AM

Thanks tb. I had clicked on the coming soon bit on their web site and there was no info.

That's a good, informative page you linked to. Thanks, again.

BEC 07-03-2013 12:37 PM

Thanks for the link.

I wonder what the heck a "Snake Jumper" is?? :D Though from the specs it's gonna look Goony - with an ST-18 body and and overall length under 9 1/2 inches.

I know Carl is always working on stuff....and NARAM is at the end of the month .... so I imagine two or three of these will be coming out "real soon now".

Chas Russell 07-03-2013 01:39 PM

Centuri had a model of the Evil Kenevil (sic) rocktet that he attempted to jump the Snake River in decades ago. I have to guess that the "Snake Jumper" is a SEMROC Goonie based on that kit.

Chas

Chas Russell 07-03-2013 01:42 PM

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...-2/772cen6.html

Knievel

Got to love ninfinger.org

Chas

CPMcGraw 07-03-2013 03:08 PM

Grab the RockSim file from this LINKY.

The best performance is the C6-5, but the B6-4 is still great for smaller fields. Both have Dv numbers below 7 FPS.

The rocket itself just looks like a compressed version of the Centuri Canyon Jumper. Hope the decals have the appearance of the "compressed" real version after it flew... :D

Earl 07-03-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by foamy
I'm wondering what you good folks at Semroc have coming out next.

I couldn't resist the Centurion D (the Centurion is one of my all-time favorite designs. I really am a simple guy) and Maxi-Micron when they appeared in April and the Nike-Tomahawk before that, and on and on as long as I've been a re-BAR and customer—which are one and the same.

I always look forward to your new kits and am curious as to what's on the upcoming menu—if you're at liberty to divulge them. If not, I'll happily and patiently wait until you're ready.


I floated a thread at the beginning of the year speculating that possibly 2013 *might* be the year of Semroc motors. Alas, no bites or hints from Carl on where their motor work stands currently.

Still, we can hope; the year is only half over.


Earl

BEC 07-03-2013 06:40 PM

I asked him about that at NSL. Short digest of the longer conversation: releasing new kits is vital to keeping Semroc going and therefore is higher priority. He did not say that Semroc motors, per se, are not going to happen, but he also did not give me the impression that it's any time soon. Too bad.

Earl 07-03-2013 11:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BEC
I asked him about that at NSL. Short digest of the longer conversation: releasing new kits is vital to keeping Semroc going and therefore is higher priority. He did not say that Semroc motors, per se, are not going to happen, but he also did not give me the impression that it's any time soon. Too bad.


Aah. Good update there BEC; much appreciated. Was sorta afraid that might be the case, but still, was trying to be hopeful.

With the staff they have, it really is amazing Carl and Co. turn out all the products they do. Adding motor making to that as well I can only imagine would be a heroic addition to the list, not to mention the capital influx needed to support manufacturing hardware development. The motor survey input a good many of us here provided on the Semroc web site may have simply indicated the demand just was not there to justify such capital outlays, though I really don't think that was the only intent of that survey.

But, economics is economics: in this economy, one simply does not just jump into an undertaking like that because it *might* be a *nice* product addition; there needs to be some assurance the market is there. In this case, it may have not completely added up to a 'go' decision, at least maybe not to this date.

Maybe we'll still yet get B14s at some point in the future....


Earl

BoosterDude 07-04-2013 08:45 AM

What ever happened to the Saturn?

Chas Russell 07-04-2013 11:36 AM

I am only speculating, but with Estes having re-released the Saturn V a few years back, there may not be a strong enough market for a SEMROC release.

Chas

Earl 07-04-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas Russell
I am only speculating, but with Estes having re-released the Saturn V a few years back, there may not be a strong enough market for a SEMROC release.

Chas


As I recall, I think Carl's comments around that time were similar.

I was kinda hoping Carl might 'fall back' and do the smaller version Estes Saturn V as a re-release, since that version is not out by anyone else currently and seems to be pretty popular when they pop up on ebay.


Earl

UCBadger 07-04-2013 02:42 PM

OMG - Must save money for (at least) two of the "Coming Soon" Gemini-Titan kits.

UCBadger 07-04-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by UCBadger
OMG - Must save money for (at least) two of the "Coming Soon" Gemini-Titan kits.
Ummm.....about when will the NARAM releases be released?

Chas Russell 07-04-2013 06:33 PM

UCBadger opined: "OMG - Must save money for (at least) two of the "Coming Soon" Gemini-Titan kits."

I started in 1967 and never purchased an Estes G-T kit. Almost bought a repro kit years back (PDR?), but had other priorities.

The SEMROC kit will be on my radar. I will be at NARAM. I am a Buckeye!

Chas

UCBadger 07-04-2013 07:53 PM

I had one about 1970. Had a pretty impressive failure of engine #2--it did not ignite at launch but did burn backwards upon firing of ejection charge of engine #1. (Back in those days, the top of the ejection was "caped" with a paper cap which was just slid into the top end of the tube--no solid plug like now.) Very interesting---lots of smoke coming out of the body tube then a loud "swoosh" sound as the propellent ignited. I learned a lot on that launch! :chuckle:

A Fish Named Wallyum 07-04-2013 10:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas Russell
I started in 1967 and never purchased an Estes G-T kit. Almost bought a repro kit years back (PDR?), but had other priorities.

That was next on my "to buy" list from PDR, but I had a lot of other projects going at the time and decided to wait. Next thing I know people start complaining about not getting kits and the rest, unfortunately, was history. :mad:

jeffyjeep 07-05-2013 12:31 PM

It's going to be wonderful to be able to buy a Gemini Titan kit without having to sell a kidney!

I wonder: with a BT O.D. of 2.217" will the NC be a solid hunk of turned balsa or will it be built up like the Semroc Saturn 1B and LJII?

BEC 07-05-2013 12:58 PM

I built the Estes Gemini Titan in my first rocket period (Jr. high and high school). As I recall the Gemini capsule fit a BT-60 and the service structure was a paper transition between BT-70 and BT-60. I think.....

Yup.... I did remember right: http://www.spacemodeling.org/JimZ/estes/k-21.pdf

stefanj 07-05-2013 02:23 PM

I have a Gemini-Titan from olden days. I actually flew it once, but used B4-4 motors and it ejected about five feet off the ground.

I repaired most of the damage, but after 12 years have not gotten around to rebuilding the ****ed transparent fin can.

I would buy the Semroc fin can parts if they are available separately.

Chas Russell 07-05-2013 04:24 PM

Yes, the motors back in the '60s had paper end caps. I actually have a Centuri C6-0 with a paper end cap in it. Collector's item, no?

Even with the clay caps, I stuff some wadding or dog barf in each motor of a cluster. Learned that lesson the hard way many, many years ago. Miss the Centuri Sure-Shots (originally RDC (Irv Wait, blessed be thy name)), but the Quest Q2G2 squib is wonderful. I fly with DARS, the Dallas section, so their launch system will handle four Estes igniters or "starters" without a shrug.

Okay. I am over 60. I need the SEMROC GT now, or pretty soon, or before my expiration date.

Chas

BEC 07-09-2013 11:55 PM

Looks like the two Groonies (Snake Jumper and Yung'un's Nuke) are getting VERY close. They show in the "coming soon" page and instructions are up - carrying dates of 7/9/13 and 7/6/13 respectively.

ghrocketman 07-10-2013 09:42 AM

I have an unbuilt GT from PD Rocketry that eventually I will get around to building.

mrhemi1971 07-11-2013 05:42 PM

Anybody got a link for the G-T?

tbzep 07-11-2013 07:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrhemi1971
Anybody got a link for the G-T?


All the kits and potential kits are linked on the Semroc page I originally posted.

However, here's the GT's link by itself.
http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KV-88




.

Mark II 07-11-2013 10:22 PM

Following in the grand (?) tradition of the Gee'hod and Earmark, we give you Yung'un's Nuke!
http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KA-13
(click on the graphic to see more of the details)

I LMSAO when I saw that one. :chuckle:

Mark II 07-11-2013 10:45 PM

Sam Air?
 
This looks intriguing. Recovery via "Helicopter/Bright Streamer." I have no idea what this could be.

Mark II 07-11-2013 10:52 PM

Oh! What's this? Can it be...? IT IS!

http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KV-73
http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KV-72

Both are listed as "Planned" at this point. Which means, maybe Christmas release?

My list is getting longer and longer...

UCBadger 07-11-2013 11:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark II
This looks intriguing. Recovery via "Helicopter/Bright Streamer." I have no idea what this could be.
"sam air" as in "sam-3?"

UCBadger 07-11-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark II
Oh! What's this? Can it be...? IT IS!

http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KV-73
http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KV-72

Both are listed as "Planned" at this point. Which means, maybe Christmas release?

My list is getting longer and longer...
My money is on much earlier........The date on the instructions for the Red-Eye is July 11, 2013!

Mark II 07-11-2013 11:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by UCBadger
"sam air" as in "sam-3?"
That's what I was thinking too. But the rocket itself -- Kopter? Roto-Rocket?

UCBadger 07-12-2013 12:01 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark II
That's what I was thinking too. But the rocket itself -- Kopter? Roto-Rocket?
Nose cone via streamer and body via Kopter thingy.....? (pretty sure I have seen something like that, but don't have a name.....

If it was a more modest rocket (less expensive) I would suggest a ejectable motor mount via streamer and body working like the old Estes Gyroc.

Mark II 07-12-2013 12:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by UCBadger
Nose cone via streamer and body via Kopter thingy.....? (pretty sure I have seen something like that, but don't have a name.....

If it was a more modest rocket (less expensive) I would suggest a ejectable motor mount via streamer and body working like the old Estes Gyroc.
The one that came to mind (and I may be way, way off on this) was this:
http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...r/kopter10.html

or this:
http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...er/kopterf.html

But this may be real pie in the sky thinking on my part.

blackshire 07-12-2013 06:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark II
Oh! What's this? Can it be...? IT IS!

http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KV-73
http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KV-72

Both are listed as "Planned" at this point. Which means, maybe Christmas release?

My list is getting longer and longer...
I want a Red-Eye! This also raises another question: Since (as is mentioned in the Semroc Red-Eye instructions--the PDF is "on" the second link above) Centuri introduced this "War in Space" series so soon before their demise, were there other planned kits in the series for which concept drawings and perhaps even prototype kit designs still exist? If so, it might be possible for Semroc to re-create these un-produced "War in Space" kits to go along with the Satellite Killer and the Red-Eye.

foamy 07-12-2013 08:16 AM

Very interesting. Just two days ago I was breezing through TRF's Centuri Gallery and was considering that very model (Satellite 62 something).

I though it would be fairly easy to clone (I like the design and the fact that it's an unusual, small rocket), but dismissed it, thinking I have way too many kits to build right now.

When they release it—I'm buying and building.

blackshire 07-12-2013 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by foamy
Very interesting. Just two days ago I was breezing through TRF's Centuri Gallery and was considering that very model (Satellite 62 something).

I though it would be fairly easy to clone (I like the design and the fact that it's an unusual, small rocket), but dismissed it, thinking I have way too many kits to build right now.

When they release it—I'm buying and building.
Ah yes, the Centuri Satellite 62SL...Sirius Rocketry has resin duplicates of its hemispherical nose cone. Speaking of plastic nose cones, a near-identical Red-Eye clone with a plastic nose cone could be made using an Estes Yankee nose cone and a 3" length of BT-20, although I have no problem with Semroc's balsa version of its #7 nose cone (Sirius Rocketry has resin duplicates of the original Centuri Red-Eye/X-24 Bug nose cone as well).

hcmbanjo 07-12-2013 12:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by foamy
Very interesting. Just two days ago I was breezing through TRF's Centuri Gallery and was considering that very model (Satellite 62 something).
I though it would be fairly easy to clone (I like the design and the fact that it's an unusual, small rocket), but dismissed it, thinking I have way too many kits to build right now.
When they release it—I'm buying and building.


You are thinking of the Satellite 62SL.

I cloned it on my blog at:
http://modelrocketbuilding.blogspot...atellite%2062SL

Somewhere in the kit run the antenna legs were cut from 8" down to 4".
Mine is unstable with the 4" antenna legs.

johnnwwa 07-12-2013 03:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BEC
Looks like the two Groonies (Snake Jumper and Yung'un's Nuke) are getting VERY close. They show in the "coming soon" page and instructions are up - carrying dates of 7/9/13 and 7/6/13 respectively.


Snake Jumper

http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KA-14

Mark II 07-14-2013 01:43 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by foamy
Very interesting. Just two days ago I was breezing through TRF's Centuri Gallery and was considering that very model (Satellite 62 something).

I though it would be fairly easy to clone (I like the design and the fact that it's an unusual, small rocket), but dismissed it, thinking I have way too many kits to build right now.

When they release it—I'm buying and building.
I had actually gone as far as obtaining parts (as many as I could) from Semroc to clone the Satellite Killer and the Red Eye. What I couldn't obtain I was going to fabricate as best I could. I didn't expect to ever be able to do the foil wraps and foil stickers though. The two are still in my build queue. Guess I had better going on them! Oh, and when I can, I will buy those kits!


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