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Carl@Semroc 08-27-2008 11:59 PM

Saturn 1B Build Project
 
We need 30+ Saturn 1B's built for an upcoming project to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Apollo 7 (October 11, 1968). These models will be our Saturn 1B kit with modifications and Apogee capsules, for ease of build. They will be non-flying and painted and decaled to match SA-205.

We have some master modelers lined up to build up to 10, but need 20-25 more built. Launch Magazine is behind us on this project and Mark Mayfield and I are working out details on contest prizes for the best model.

We need these completed and returned to us before October 7, 2008. We will supply the model and capsule, shipping container, and return postage. You supply the manpower, modeling skills and building supplies.

We are offering this first to the SVDT which has some of the best modelers in the world. If you know of additional modelers that can build a pristine Saturn 1B in a short period of time, please let me know on this thread. We need these to all be the "best of the best."

We will not be able to return any of the models except possibly the best one or two as judged by an independent panel of judges. Take plenty of pictures and we will as well.

Any additional details of the specific finishing aspects of SA-205 are also requested. Please keep this quiet and within this group and the other modelers that are brought onboard until we make it public.

CPMcGraw 08-28-2008 12:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
We need 30+ Saturn 1B's built for an upcoming project to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Apollo 7 (October 11, 1968). These models will be our Saturn 1B kit with modifications and Apogee capsules, for ease of build. They will be non-flying and painted and decaled to match SA-205.

We have some master modelers lined up to build up to 10, but need 20-25 more built. Launch Magazine is behind us on this project and Mark Mayfield and I are working out details on contest prizes for the best model.

We need these completed and returned to us before October 7, 2008. We will supply the model and capsule, shipping container, and return postage. You supply the manpower, modeling skills and building supplies.

We are offering this first to the SVDT which has some of the best modelers in the world. If you know of additional modelers that can build a pristine Saturn 1B in a short period of time, please let me know on this thread. We need these to all be the "best of the best."

We will not be able to return any of the models except possibly the best one or two as judged by an independent panel of judges. Take plenty of pictures and we will as well.

Any additional details of the specific finishing aspects of SA-205 are also requested. Please keep this quiet and within this group and the other modelers that are brought onboard until we make it public.


Carl,

I've still got an unbuilt kit in the box that I can start on. Send me a set, and I'll start this one immediately. I can put the Apogee capsule on it when it arrives.

What about the fiddly details, like rocket engines? How much added detail are these going to require? Full "museum level"? Or some lesser level, like "visible at X-number of feet"?

Perhaps posting some of those "modifications" here in the SVDT could speed up the process as we wait for packages to arrive...

barone 08-28-2008 07:22 AM

Carl,

I'd be happy to help out. I can put all the other builds on hold. Like Craig, I've got a Semroc kit here already and can start as soon as the weekend is over (going out of town).

chanstevens 08-28-2008 07:30 AM

Count me in. That will be the fourth one I've built now, and none of them wound up in my fleet :( . At least I'll have plenty of practice for when I get around to building a keeper, and the thought of skipping the dowel/tower structure in favor of the Apogee capsule has me chompin' at the bit.

If you get any more celebrity autographs on these, though, I might have to start asking for one of 'em back!

--Chan Stevens

chanstevens 08-28-2008 07:32 AM

PS.--I've got a ton of scale data for the Saturns and will check through it for the specific round you're looking for.

Royatl 08-28-2008 08:25 AM

I can do one.

Carl@Semroc 08-28-2008 11:05 AM

Thanks Craig, Don, Chan, and Roy. The packages will go out today. The capsule will ship next Wednesday. You can start on an existing kit, but these are slightly different. An errata sheet will be ready by this weekend.

Still need 21 more!

Chas Russell 08-28-2008 11:54 AM

Carl, please send me one. I don't have the work space to do more. Why does this happen with football season starting....

Chas

Eagle3 08-28-2008 01:41 PM

Carl, I can do one.

Buzz

Royatl 08-28-2008 01:52 PM

Carl,

Ron Stancil

ronstancil@yahoo.com

is an excellent modeler, and produced the Estes/Semroc/Apogee hybrid Saturn 1B you see in the side bar on the NSL2008 website

http://www.nsl2008.org/images/nslside04.jpg

chanstevens 08-28-2008 07:23 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
Thanks Craig, Don, Chan, and Roy. The packages will go out today. The capsule will ship next Wednesday. You can start on an existing kit, but these are slightly different. An errata sheet will be ready by this weekend.

Still need 21 more!


Heck, with the 5-minute Apogee tower, I might be able to do a pair for ya', but I'd suggest letting this thread run for a few more days and/or going public with it before any of us get a second helping.


--Chan Stevens

Chas Russell 08-29-2008 09:48 AM

Received the notice yesterday that SEMROC has sent me a package. Now I have to find this Master Modeler guy they were talking about. And move the in-work OSO, the Frick 'n'Frack, the Hustler, the Lil' Hustler...

Go Bucks!

Chas

Doug Sams 08-29-2008 09:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas Russell
Received the notice yesterday that SEMROC has sent me a package. Now I have to find this Master Modeler guy they were talking about. And move the in-work OSO, the Frick 'n'Frack, the Hustler, the Lil' Hustler...
Speaking of master modelers, I almost forwarded this to the DARS-General list then remembered it's an SVDT posting. But I think Richard Benevides would be a perfect candidate to build one of these. You agree?

Doug


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Chas Russell 08-29-2008 10:05 AM

Richard would be a great addition, but I thought that he had left the hobby.
My interetest in this project is because astronaut Don Eisle was from Columbus, OH and was honored with a dinner that I and several other CSAR members attended. One of our members presented him with an Estes Saturn 1B. I have a couple of B&W photos that I will have to scan and share. I have the banquet program somewhere in the archieves.

Chas

barone 08-29-2008 10:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas Russell
Received the notice yesterday that SEMROC has sent me a package. Now I have to find this Master Modeler guy they were talking about. And move the in-work OSO, the Frick 'n'Frack, the Hustler, the Lil' Hustler...

Go Bucks!

Chas

Hehehe....Yep, another thread got me interested in the Frick 'n' Frack.......guess I'll have to wait till October to order it so I can stay focused..... ;)

Doug Sams 08-29-2008 10:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas Russell
Richard would be a great addition, but I thought that he had left the hobby.
He came back, but I'm not sure to what extent. My biggest concern in his case is that he'd build it too nice :)

Another who comes to mind is James Gartrell - if Don Magness doesn't have him too busy on other projects :)

Doug

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Carl@Semroc 08-29-2008 12:35 PM

DARS is building ten of them. John Dyer, Jack and Suzie Sprague, James Gartrell, and Stuart Powley are starting this weekend in a massive build session at the Sprague's.

The capsules will be here on Tuesday and we will send them out Priority on Wednesday.

Doug Sams 08-29-2008 01:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
DARS is building ten of them. John Dyer, Jack and Suzie Sprague, James Gartrell, and Stuart Powley are starting this weekend in a massive build session at the Sprague's.
Yer two steps ahead of me, Carl :D

Doug

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Mark II 08-29-2008 02:26 PM

I have nowhere near the required modeling skills, but I wish you all the best on this project. Great idea, Carl, to tap the members of your highly talented "team." :)

Mark \\.

barone 08-29-2008 02:38 PM

Man....I went home for lunch and there was a box on the stoop. I'm going "No way.......I know Carl is fast but this cannot be.....". Sure enough, it was my ROTW book from NARTS :o

Carl@Semroc 08-29-2008 02:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark II
I have nowhere near the required modeling skills, but I wish you all the best on this project. Great idea, Carl, to tap the members of your highly talented "team." :)

Mark \\.
I believe you do! I have seen your work.

Mark II 08-29-2008 03:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
I believe you do! I have seen your work.

[Blush :o] OK, sign me up then, and I'll give it my very best shot. :)

(Gee!!!)

Mark \\.

chanstevens 08-29-2008 03:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by barone
Man....I went home for lunch and there was a box on the stoop. I'm going "No way.......I know Carl is fast but this cannot be.....". Sure enough, it was my ROTW book from NARTS :o


Well, at least now you'll know what the thing's supposed to look like when you finish it :p .

barone 08-29-2008 04:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by chanstevens
Well, at least now you'll know what the thing's supposed to look like when you finish it :p .

LOL....No, I already checked....no details for the SA-205 ;)

chanstevens 08-29-2008 09:35 PM

SA-205 data
 
Carl:

I found a bunch of decent scale data for this specific mission. Way too much to post here as attachment. I'll try emailing it you to at Semroc, but we might want to see if someone here would be willing to temporarily host it (note--some of these are commercial grade photos and should probably not be freely distributed across the net). Example--I've got the John Pursley photos.

chanstevens 08-30-2008 05:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
We need 30+ Saturn 1B's built for an upcoming project to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Apollo 7 (October 11, 1968). These models will be our Saturn 1B kit with modifications and Apogee capsules, for ease of build. They will be non-flying and painted and decaled to match SA-205.

We have some master modelers lined up to build up to 10, but need 20-25 more built. Launch Magazine is behind us on this project and Mark Mayfield and I are working out details on contest prizes for the best model.

We need these completed and returned to us before October 7, 2008. We will supply the model and capsule, shipping container, and return postage. You supply the manpower, modeling skills and building supplies.

We are offering this first to the SVDT which has some of the best modelers in the world. If you know of additional modelers that can build a pristine Saturn 1B in a short period of time, please let me know on this thread. We need these to all be the "best of the best."

We will not be able to return any of the models except possibly the best one or two as judged by an independent panel of judges. Take plenty of pictures and we will as well.

Any additional details of the specific finishing aspects of SA-205 are also requested. Please keep this quiet and within this group and the other modelers that are brought onboard until we make it public.


A bunch of photos are viewable/downloadable at http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html (look for the Apollo 7 link in top left of the frame).

chanstevens 08-30-2008 05:58 AM

I wonder if anyone could try to reshoot this photo 40 years later...

Royatl 08-30-2008 07:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by chanstevens
I wonder if anyone could try to reshoot this photo 40 years later...


Well, then we'd need one of Sheri's Saturn 1B's!

Darn, we could easily have set it up a month ago!

chanstevens 08-30-2008 04:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
Thanks Craig, Don, Chan, and Roy. The packages will go out today. The capsule will ship next Wednesday. You can start on an existing kit, but these are slightly different. An errata sheet will be ready by this weekend.

Still need 21 more!


Hopefully you can just post or email the modifications you want. I got my big honkin' box today and am ready to start on it. I'll stick to tube spiral treatments and such, surely not affected by your mods.

Also, you probably don't need to go Priority on the capsule kits--it's not like any of us will be stopped and needing these early next week. Cheapest/easiest would be the way to go.

--Chan Stevens

Royatl 08-30-2008 06:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by chanstevens
Hopefully you can just post or email the modifications you want. I got my big honkin' box today and am ready to start on it. I'll stick to tube spiral treatments and such, surely not affected by your mods.

Also, you probably don't need to go Priority on the capsule kits--it's not like any of us will be stopped and needing these early next week. Cheapest/easiest would be the way to go.

--Chan Stevens


Dang it, I was planning on starting the project during the three day weekend, but our USPS seems to have gotten crappy on Atlanta the past couple of months. My sky-of-gold certificates got here today properly mangled one or two days after everybody else seemed to get them (actually, they aren't in that bad a shape, though my mail carrier did nearly put a crease in one of them).

foose4string 08-30-2008 06:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Royatl
Dang it, I was planning on starting the project during the three day weekend, but our USPS seems to have gotten crappy on Atlanta the past couple of months. My sky-of-gold certificates got here today properly mangled one or two days after everybody else seemed to get them (actually, they aren't in that bad a shape, though my mail carrier did nearly put a crease in one of them).


My mail carrier did a nice job of folding mine too. Could be worse....like wet, mangled, or lost. ;)

barone 08-30-2008 06:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by chanstevens
Carl:

I found a bunch of decent scale data for this specific mission. Way too much to post here as attachment. I'll try emailing it you to at Semroc, but we might want to see if someone here would be willing to temporarily host it (note--some of these are commercial grade photos and should probably not be freely distributed across the net). Example--I've got the John Pursley photos.

Chan,

You got my e-mail address....

chanstevens 08-30-2008 07:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by barone
Chan,

You got my e-mail address....


The zip file is about 50 meg, and that's going to suck up a whole lotta bandwidth if I wind up emailing it around to everyone. Anybody want to pony up some online storage briefly?

I'd be willing to put it out on bit torrent, but I doubt most of the old farts around hear are familiar with that file sharing technique :p .

Royatl 08-30-2008 08:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by chanstevens
The zip file is about 50 meg, and that's going to suck up a whole lotta bandwidth if I wind up emailing it around to everyone. Anybody want to pony up some online storage briefly?

I'd be willing to put it out on bit torrent, but I doubt most of the old farts around hear are familiar with that file sharing technique :p .



Sure, I can put it up, but it'll have to wait till tomorrow as I'm about to go out the door. I'll email you the particulars (ftp server and account) later tonight.

chanstevens 09-01-2008 11:21 AM

Gloss or flat?
 
What type of finish are we looking for here? Scale-like flat or show-off glossy?

I'm priming the tubes now, might be finish coating them in a couple days.

Carl@Semroc 09-01-2008 11:23 AM

I think the gloss is more durable.

Chas Russell 09-01-2008 12:56 PM

I did not receive the kit Saturday, so opened kit #21 and will start to fill spirals on the main tubes. Glossy finish, check.

Chas

Eagle3 09-01-2008 08:57 PM

I got mine Saturday and got the tube spirals filled yesterday. Has any one built this one similar to the 1/70 Estes Sat 1b and painted it in sub-assemblies? I'm just worried about seams or an ill fit with the scallop shroud.

dwmzmm 09-01-2008 09:25 PM

Carl, I know I'm very late getting here, but my internet service (DSL) had been out for the past 2 1/2 weeks and I just got it back on line this afternoon. If you have one more build of
the Saturn 1-B, I can do one. I still have my original Estes 1/70 kit ("in-the-box") I haven't
started on (yet). I do, however, have my original Centuri 1/100 Saturn 1-B (which is the
Apollo - 7 round) in my collection, so I can use it as a reference point .

Also, speaking of Richard Benevides, I've e-mailed him some time ago asking if he was going
to compete in a Regional meet at JSC (as he did back in the Fall 2005). From his response, I
gather that he was no longer interested in building & flying model rockets. I do, however,
see that he posts in the Space - Modelers Yahoo Group (mostly pertaining to plastic/static
models) often.

Carl@Semroc 09-01-2008 09:56 PM

Dave,


It will go out tomorrow. Thanks!

I did not realize the Centuri 1B was Apollo 7. Does anyone have the service model silver wrap?


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