And an 18 x 70mm motor mount instead of 13 x 45mm motor mount.....

Or the original Apogee with the 18mm shorty motors. ;)

I'm trying to learn this stuff but it seems you guys absorbed it and memorized it in your formative years.

I used to stare at my catalogs at night but the text did not seem to register in the same way as with y'all!

Another Bertha question:

The 1986 catalog changes the model number from 1223 to 1948. The rocket is also listed as "updated". I see that it still had 18mm mount.

Did anything change except for the livery/decal?

I didn't know that. The only catalog posted on Ninfinger that contains the original Apogee contains no motor listings, nor do the catalog pages list recommended motors for the kits. Innnterrrrrrrrrrresting.............

This was slightly before my first rocketry period. The first catalog that I really remember is the 1967 catalog. I would've been 12 that year.

That was Bertha before she got hitched to Ranger. The results of that subsequent union were Minnie, Super and the Baby. ;)

I would want to get blood tests to determine that. I don't see any resemblance at all. There is a distinct resemblance to the Taser Twin, but not to any Berthas that I can see.

The later Ranger kit was simply someone with the same name. I don't think that every John Lee in the US is your relative, right? :chuckle:

Bertha and the Brighton are from different parts of the country. They look very much alike but do not share the same lineage. Under the skin, they are very different.

Vega and Betty are even more distant. They are related to Bertha like a zebra is related to a horse.

Sure, on some far removed level they are all related...just like we are all related to Adam. Or Attila the Hun. ;) (My mother used to say that.)

I flew rockets in the 1960s, but I didn't learn most of the stuff that we are talking about here until this century.

Yup, they look alike. Just as I look like anyone else who was born in Michigan. :p