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turbofireball 01-26-2021 05:20 PM

2021 New from Estes Designer Signature Series Kit
 
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From my local hobby shop is news of the next Estes Designer Signature Series rocket kit. Following last year's Orange Bullet comes #7310 Antar. Should be available within the next 30 days, or sooner. MSRP is $39.99. Sorry no dimensions info yet. Assume it will be shown at the virtual NARCON 2021 manufacturer's forum later this week.

Scott_650 01-26-2021 08:22 PM

The Orange Bullet really didnít do much for me, I liked the Designer Signature Series concept and the OB is a neat little rocket but just not enough to get my money. But this is intriguing - a flying model of a G. Harry Stine concept design - now thatís something else!

shockwaveriderz 01-26-2021 08:56 PM

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here are 3 G.H.Stine designs from the early to mid 50's ....these are rocket models, ie, not model rockets.... the FAFNIR was on the cover of the GHS book " ...And A Star to Steer Her By..." circa 1953...GHS handmade this model 4 to 5 years before model rocketry existed....the exhaust is cotton balls . This are just models, not flying model rockets although I'm sure they might be able to be converted. this book: https://www.amazon.com/Spaceship-Ha..../dp/097076040X has all the detailed drawings of them. GHS books also has drawings of them . The Absyrtis is in Contraband Rocket. Also check out Rocketman and Starship Thru Space. The last pic is GHS with his cat Cosmos who was a character in his book Starship Thru Space. This isn't a very good pic but if you look real closely next to the FAFNIR is a scale rocket to give you an idea how BIG the FAFNIR would have been in real life. The launchpad is depicted in a drawing of the cover of Rocketman.

ghrocketman 01-26-2021 09:34 PM

That new one looks a lot more interesting than the Orange Bullet.
Will have to grab one.
Is the 2021 catalogue out yet ?
Never understood why their yearly catalog is never out by December.

BEC 01-26-2021 09:49 PM

That's a cool one. Ah, another project....

I was disappointed that the Orange Bullet, as kitted, did not actually work as originally designed. That is, it did not go unstable after ejecting the motor, but instead just depends on being light and blunt for safe (probably straight in) recovery. The fin tip weights were just simulated with lasered cardstock bits.

But this one looks good.

turbofireball 01-26-2021 10:03 PM

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Is the 2021 catalogue out yet ?
Never understood why their yearly catalog is never out by December.


I can answer that question about the catalogs. Coming out with a new catalog in December with new products could be a deterrent to selling items already on the shelves for the holiday season sales, and after season sales. That is standard practice of pretty much all hobby (and toy) manufacturers. Also, the catalogs are timed with what usually is either the first hobby show (or toy show of the year), which is generally around Feb. 1.

LeeR 01-27-2021 12:22 AM

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The Orange Bullet really didnít do much for me, I liked the Designer Signature Series concept and the OB is a neat little rocket but just not enough to get my money.


Iíve been kind of on a nostalgia kick this past year. I saw the Orange Bullet, remembered it from the old Estes plans, and built one. But, it left me wanting for more.

I had a rocket that suffered a CATO and I just felt the need to rebuild. Once completed, I shot some wild metallic orange on it, and suddenly, BOBís your uncle ó its the Big Orange Bullet. It bears little resemblance to the original, but it is orange. Notice how the repairs to the fin area swell, giving it that necked-down cartidge look. (Not by design, the tube area between fins was a bit tricky and added some girth.)

shockwaveriderz 01-27-2021 05:57 AM

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From my local hobby shop is news of the next Estes Designer Signature Series rocket kit. Following last year's Orange Bullet comes #7310 Antar. Should be available within the next 30 days, or sooner. MSRP is $39.99. Sorry no dimensions info yet. Assume it will be shown at the virtual NARCON 2021 manufacturer's forum later this week.


this model design is from the attached book in 1956

Gus 01-27-2021 10:39 PM

Terry, great stuff! Thanks so much for posting the pics.

Steve

Chris_Timm 01-28-2021 10:11 AM

GHarry & Antar
 
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A guy and his rocket.

L3Excalibur 01-28-2021 11:55 AM

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I had a rocket that suffered a CATO and I just felt the need to rebuild. Once completed, I shot some wild metallic orange on it, and suddenly, BOBís your uncle ó its the Big Orange Bullet. It bears little resemblance to the original, but it is orange. Notice how the repairs to the fin area swell, giving it that necked-down cartidge look. (Not by design, the tube area between fins was a bit tricky and added some girth.)

I like your Interceptor paint scheme in the background. I did one in two-tone gray as well. I've used that color combo on a couple of rockets with bright decals and it always turns out looking great. Just not that easy to see when flying on overcast days. :-)

LeeR 01-29-2021 01:11 AM

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I like your Interceptor paint scheme in the background. I did one in two-tone gray as well. I've used that color combo on a couple of rockets with bright decals and it always turns out looking great. Just not that easy to see when flying on overcast days. :-)


Thanks Buzz!

This was maybe the first decaled model I painted with flat paint ó simply because I like the Testors aircraft grays, and the are all flat. :)

I did a gloss clear coat, applied the decals (those E decals were a bear to get to release!), the did a matte clear coat to restore the flat finish. Here is close-up of the nose cone.

John Brohm 01-29-2021 04:25 AM

Super job, Lee! Well done!

LeeR 01-29-2021 06:16 PM

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Super job, Lee! Well done!


Thanks John. I bought a bunch of the re-released Interceptors (standard and E) 10+ years ago. I was on ďrocketry hiatusĒ when the Interceptor was first available, and got a little carried away buying (8 of each). :)

I will do a standard model in white sometime. My next will be using one of the wraps I got from John Pursley, rest his soul.

PaulK 01-31-2021 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BEC
That's a cool one. Ah, another project....

I was disappointed that the Orange Bullet, as kitted, did not actually work as originally designed. That is, it did not go unstable after ejecting the motor, but instead just depends on being light and blunt for safe (probably straight in) recovery. The fin tip weights were just simulated with lasered cardstock bits.

But this one looks good.
I launched mine 4 times, adding more weight to the fins each time, never could get enough to get it to tumble, finally lost it on the 4th try.

JumpJet 01-31-2021 10:07 PM

"never could get enough to get it to tumble"


Now you know why Vern never produced this as a kit and moved on to the K-1 Scout as Estes's first kit.

I test flew prototypes with lead and brass plates on the back of the fins with poor recovery results.


John Boren

ghrocketman 02-01-2021 01:36 AM

The new kit would be a good candidate for a U.S. Space FARCE decal.

Was glad to the U.S.S.F. has adopted the standard USAF ranking system except for the first 4 enlisted ranks. Would have been ridiculous to use USN ranks for a branch of the USAF.

I still think it is an unneeded nuisance to split part of the USAF into another sub-branch.

A Fish Named Wallyum 02-01-2021 05:16 AM

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"never could get enough to get it to tumble"


Now you know why Vern never produced this as a kit and moved on to the K-1 Scout as Estes's first kit.

I test flew prototypes with lead and brass plates on the back of the fins with poor recovery results.


John Boren

They should have had me test them. I'm an expert with poor recovery results. :rolleyes: :D

L3Excalibur 02-01-2021 09:01 AM

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They should have had me test them. I'm an expert with poor recovery results. :rolleyes: :D

Been there, done that (all too often). Have the t-shirt with appropriate ridicule boldly proclaiming my lack of skills. :-)

ghrocketman 02-01-2021 10:39 AM

If you want to guarantee poor recovery, do a PMC.
90% of those feature trash bag-'n-broom recovery, and gleefully they POWR-PRANGG.
A B8/B14 possibly could remedy this as most crash due to lack of thrust, not instability.
The Quest composite C/D motors would also work.

tab28682 03-01-2021 03:24 PM

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here are 3 G.H.Stine designs from the early to mid 50's ....these are models, ie, not model rockets.... the FAFNIR was on the cover of the GHS book " ...And A Star to Steer Her By..." circa 1953...GHS handmade this model 4 to 5 years before model rocketry existed....the exhaust is cotton balls . This are just models, not flying model rockets although I'm sure they might be able to be converted. this book: https://www.amazon.com/Spaceship-Ha..../dp/097076040X has all the detailed drawings of them. GHS books also has drawings of them . The Absyrtis is in Contraband Rocket. Also check out Rocketman and Starship Thru Space. The last pic is GHS with his cat Cosmos who was a character in his book Starship Thru Space. This isn't a very good pic but if you look real closely next to the FAFNIR is a scale rocket to give you an idea how BIG the FAFNIR would have been in real life. The launchpad is depicted in a drawing of the cover of Rocketman.



Thanks for posting the pics of G. Harry's rockets. I see you have the Athena in there, as well. I am almost done with a RC RG of the Athena from the Saturday Evening Post story "The Day the Rocket Crashed".

Big fan of the Spaceship Handbook. Used the Athena drawing in there to scale my RC RG version. It is BT-80 sized with Dynasoar Rocketry/Frank Burke style Depron flying surfaces. Done except for a custom 3D printed nose cone and the canopy fairing. Pic attached. Have a PNC-80 on there for now. If the custom printed cone takes too long, I will put a paper hat on it and go ahead and fly.

The rockets from G. Harry Stine's stories were fairly huge. The Athena as designed (as interpreted by Jon Rogers) was 136 feet long. The Fafnir was 303 feet long and the Absyrtis was 197 feet long. The BT-80 Athena works out to 1/46.15 scale.

Anyone know if the Antar design was featured in one of his stories? And, are there other G. Harry Stine fictional rocket designs floating around out there, besides the ones in the Spaceship Handbook and the Antar?

SCooke123 03-01-2021 11:38 PM

I like that design on rocket - realistic!!!

shockwaveriderz 03-04-2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tab28682
Thanks for posting the pics of G. Harry's rockets. I see you have the Athena in there, as well. I am almost done with a RC RG of the Athena from the Saturday Evening Post story "The Day the Rocket Crashed".

Big fan of the Spaceship Handbook. Used the Athena drawing in there to scale my RC RG version. It is BT-80 sized with Dynasoar Rocketry/Frank Burke style Depron flying surfaces. Done except for a custom 3D printed nose cone and the canopy fairing. Pic attached. Have a PNC-80 on there for now. If the custom printed cone takes too long, I will put a paper hat on it and go ahead and fly.

The rockets from G. Harry Stine's stories were fairly huge. The Athena as designed (as interpreted by Jon Rogers) was 136 feet long. The Fafnir was 303 feet long and the Absyrtis was 197 feet long. The BT-80 Athena works out to 1/46.15 scale.

Anyone know if the Antar design was featured in one of his stories? And, are there other G. Harry Stine fictional rocket designs floating around out there, besides the ones in the Spaceship Handbook and the Antar?


I don't know if the Antar was featured in any of his stories, but I'm trying to find out. In Earth Satellites and The race for Space Superiority on page 65 is a diagram for a rocket called the Griffon, on page 55 Aeolus and Nomad. There may be some rocket designs in RocketMen

shockwaveriderz 03-04-2021 11:22 AM

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A guy and his rocket.

Chris:
Great Pic! May I ask where you found it?

Gus 03-04-2021 01:45 PM

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I don't know if the Antar was featured in any of his stories, but I'm trying to find out.


Terry,

Bill and I discussed this before the release. We agreed that as far as we knew it never appeared in any of Harryís books. And I donít really know if it appeared in any of the magazine stories, but Iím way less familiar with those, because there are just so many. If you find out something different, that would be fascinating.

Steve

ghrocketman 03-04-2021 02:27 PM

I don't recall ever seeing this one either.

Chris_Timm 03-05-2021 08:32 AM

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Chris:
Great Pic! May I ask where you found it?


I may have gotten it from Kevin Wickart.
I think he built a Fafnir model for the then newly created FF/FS event.
I am not really sure.
Too many moons ago.

Scott_650 03-06-2021 06:57 AM

AC Supply has pushed the ANTARís availability to April. Not a big deal I suppose, I have enough unbuilt kits to last for at least that long 😉

L3Excalibur 03-06-2021 07:52 AM

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AC Supply has pushed the ANTARís availability to April. Not a big deal I suppose, I have enough unbuilt kits to last for at least that long 😉

So do I. We are talking about April, 2035, right? :-)

tab28682 03-07-2021 09:21 AM

Slightly off topic, but I sure wish that someone would work with the Stine family to get all of the more vintage G Harry Stine/ Lee Correy stories published in e-book format. Pretty much everything before the 1970s. There are a few I have never been able to locate and a couple I have not read since the 1960s.

I have been meaning to check out the Stine Archives, to the limited extent possible on line.

tab28682 03-20-2021 05:17 PM

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After shockwaveriderz posted about the other GHS designs in his book "Earth Satellites and the Race for Space Superiority", I went browsing around on the net looking for an affordable copy of this 64 year old book.

Found one on ABE Books that happened to be located an a vendor local to me, the great old Barbers Book Store in downtown Fort Worth.

Here are the most interesting drawings in the book. A shame that only one is a full three view, but it is what it is. Still very interesting to me.

First drawing is of his concept for a larger experimental rocket plane, sort of an X-15 follow-on, the Griffon.

Next is a group illustration that includes the Griffon, a point to point intercontinental rocket transport called the Aeolus and an orbital rocket plane called the Nomad.

Lastly, a shuttle rocket called the Meteor that he envisioned be used to construct the first large manned space station.

Some interesting possibilities for rocket gliders and rockets......

tab28682 04-22-2021 03:05 PM

Well, I ran this thread fairly far off topic. My apologies.

I did finish the Athena and posted pics over in the rocket glider forum. Link below:

https://forums.rocketshoppe.com/sho...1363#post251363

I do hope the Estes Designers series continues. It might be a while before they work back to another G. Harry Stine fictional design, but I will keep my fingers crossed.

Looking forward to a couple of Antars when they hit the market.

Faithwalker 05-04-2021 12:23 PM

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Looking forward to a couple of Antars when they hit the market.

Received a message from Estes today saying the Antars are now in stock.

https://estesrockets.com/product/00...source=hs_email

Kind regards,
Jeff Jenkins
aka: Faithwalker
NAR #46879 SR


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