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Ltvscout 06-19-2010 09:21 AM

Scale Data Information Websites
 
This list is courtesy of Blackshire. If anyone else knows of any web links containing scale data, feel free to add to this post.

[1](Alway, Peter) Jim Ball has archived Peter Alway's online "sampler" of scale drawings of sounding rockets, satellite launch vehicles, and missiles (see: http://www.rocketryonline.com/jimba...ding_rocket.htm ). Also, NARTS (NAR Technical Services, see: www.nar.org/NARTS/index.html ) carries all of Peter Alway's scale model rocketry books and booklets.

[2] (Encyclopedia Astronautica) Encyclopedia Astronautica (www.astronautix.com ) is an extensive--although not deep--scale data source. (In most cases, it's more useful for Sport Scale than for Scale.) Their huge alphabetical listing covers rockets and spacecraft I had never heard of before!

[3] (Gunter's Space Page) Gunter's Space Page, maintained by Gunter Krebs (see: http://space.skyrocket.de/ ), contains scale data (mostly Sport Scale) on worldwide sounding rockets, satellite launch vehicles, missiles, and ballistic missile target vehicles.

[4] (Lowther, Scott) Scott Lowther offers scale drawings and resin kits of rockets, missiles, and aircraft (see: www.up-ship.com ), particularly obscure and proposed-but-never-built ones.

[5] (Naro-1) The ROK (Republic of [South] Korea) Naro-1 SLV (Satellite Launch Vehicle, see: http://www.space-travel.com/reports...ailure_999.html , www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1006/10kslv/ , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naro-1 , and http://www.space.com/common/forums/...pic.php?t=24343 [this page has additional links and excellent photos and drawings]) would make an interesting scale or sport scale subject. It has only two fins, mounted on opposite sides of the lower first stage, so a flying model would need two clear plastic fins to provide a four-fin "cruciform" fin set.

[6] (NARTS) NARTS (NAR Technical Services, see: http://www.nar.org/NARTS/index.html ) carries all of Peter Alway's scale model rocketry books and booklets, as well as scale data packets.

[7] (Ninfinger Productions) The Ninfinger Productions Model Rockets web site (see: www.ninfinger.org/rockets/rockets.html ) contains, among many other rocketry-related links, links to scale model rocket plans and scale data.

[8] (Project Icarus) As a follow-up to Project Daedalus (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus ), the 1970s-era interstellar probe engineering design study, a group of engineers and students have begun a 21st Century star probe design study called Project Icarus (see: http://icarusinterstellar.org/ ), which will incorporate up-to-date technologies.

Since Daedalus and Icarus are both powered by nuclear (fusion) pulse rocket engines, their designs could be depicted as "draggy" but stable Future/Fiction Scale model rockets. Also, the Centauri Dreams (see: www.centauri-dreams.org ) and Tau Zero Foundation (see: www.tauzero.aero ) web sites contain interesting material on real-world star probe and starship designs.

[9] ("Rocheworld" Spacecraft) The late Dr. Robert L. Forward was a starship-designing physicist who also wrote hard-science fiction novels that depicted spacecraft and other devices that could actually be built. Below is information on the spacecraft described (and illustrated with dimensioned diagrams) in his 1990 novel "Rocheworld," which is available from AbeBooks.com (see: www.abebooks.com ), Alibris.com (see: www.alibris.com ), and Amazon.com (see: www.amazon.com ).

The Surface Lander and Ascent Module (SLAM) is a two-stage (descent stage and ascent stage) cylindrical spacecraft designed to land on planets and satellites in the Barnard's Star system. Strapped to (and partially recessed into) its side is a space plane called the Surface Excursion Module (SEM--more on this vehicle below).

The SEM, which resembles the Lockheed U-2, would make an excellent hinged-wing boost-glider or rocket glider (RC or Free Flight) that would also be a Future/Fiction Scale model! (The outer 2/3 or so of each of the full-scale SEM's wings are folded.) The nuclear turbo-rocket powered craft is designed to fly in planetary atmospheres using the ambient air for propulsion, with the additional capability (using an onboard propellant tank) of flying as a pure rocket vehicle near airless worlds. Its generous wing area would make for a good-flying model version.

[10] (Skua & Petrel meteorological rockets) Below are a few links to material on the British Bristol Aerojet Skua and Petrel meteorological/sounding rockets, the Spanish INTA 255 sounding rocket, and the US Arcon sounding rocket. The Skua was roughly similar to the Arcas. The 6-finned Petrel used a larger motor (both rockets had end-burning sustainer motors). The Petrel was also used as a target to simulate short-range missiles.

COPIED FROM AN EARLIER YORF POSTING OF MINE: Hmmm...another use for Quest's new 1/2A3-2 would be to power the parallel-burn, series-staged boosters of scale models such as the British Bristol Aerojet (BAJ) Skua meteorological rocket (see: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~hsaulles/march-april.pdf and www.astronautix.com/lvs/skua.htm ), the BAJ Petrel sounding rocket & supersonic target (see: www.astronautix.com/lvs/petrel.htm ), the Spanish INTA 255 sounding rocket (see: http://fuseurop.univ-perp.fr/inta_e.htm ), and the Atlantic Research Corporation Arcon sounding rocket (see: www.astronautix.com/lvs/arcon.htm ). An accelerometer could ignite the sustainer as soon as the booster caused it to move.

Some versions of the Skua (and the Petrel too, if memory serves) had parachute-recovered reloadable boosters that landed quite close to the launcher, so using parachute-recovered boosters on these models would give them life-like performance.

[11] The Starship Modeler web site (see: www.starshipmodeler.com ) contains scale data and model kit information pertinent to fictional rockets and spacecraft for Future/Fiction Scale.

brianc 06-19-2010 01:35 PM

a few from my bookmarks-


Jim Ball scale archive at ROL
http://www.rocketryonline.com/jimba...-data/scale.htm

FAS
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/

NASA Technical Diagrams
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/H...ms/diagrams.htm

Rockets in Europe
http://www.sat-net.com/serra/index_e.htm

Missle.index
http://missile.index.ne.jp/en/

NASA Technical Reports server
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp

Rakety - planky
http://www.mo-na-ko.net/rakety-planky.htm

Enjoy!

sandman 06-19-2010 01:56 PM

Here are a few more.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/index.html

http://www.postwarv2.com/

http://apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.c...ollo/indexe.htm

blackshire 06-20-2010 05:37 AM

Excellent! I see sites in brianc's and sandman's replies that I hadn't encountered before. For Space Shuttle fans (I particularly like the Phase A and Phase B proposed designs), Dennis R. Jenkins' two books ("Space Shuttle: The History of the National Space Transportation System The First 100 Missions," see: http://www.amazon.com/Space-Shuttle...s/dp/0963397451 and "Space Shuttle: The History of Developing the National Space Transportation System," see: http://www.amazon.com/Space-Shuttle...77030567&sr=1-1 ) are loaded with drawings, illustrations, and photographs (where applicable) of the early designs and the current vehicles.

blackshire 06-30-2010 01:29 AM

Another archive I found is the Space Launch Report (see: www.spacelaunchreport.com )

Jeffrey Moon 07-17-2013 11:23 PM

Geman Site
 
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Hello Rocketeers
Here is the web site http://www.digipeer.de/. It hase prints of A-3,A-4,A-5 and wasserfall. I included a A-4 variant.

Jeff M

chrism 07-17-2013 11:47 PM

All things V-2:

www.v2rocket.com

blackshire 07-20-2013 01:44 AM

I just found a book which contains scale data on launch vehicles, "To Reach the High Frontier: A History of U.S. Launch Vehicles" by Dennis R. Jenkins and Dr. Roger D. Launius. It is available cheaply from AbeBooks.com (see: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sea...Launch+Vehicles ). It is also available from Alibris.com, Amazon.com, and Half.com.

Polaris1324 07-23-2013 09:28 AM

Found this site today
 
http://historicspacecraft.com/index.html

blackshire 07-23-2013 12:38 PM

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!LIKE! His constant-scale drawing groupings (solid motors, upper stages, SLVs, etc.) are particularly illuminating, as are his many photographs of vehicles in museums.

GregGleason 07-23-2013 01:41 PM

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Great website! Thanks!

Greg

Ez2cDave 10-18-2013 09:38 PM

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If anyone needs data, I have almost 92 GB, at present, and it keeps growing . . . Please drop me an E-Mail, if you are searching for data !

Ez2cDave@aol.com

Dave Fitch

Ez2cDave 09-07-2022 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ez2cDave
If anyone needs data, I have almost 92 GB, at present, and it keeps growing . . . Please drop me an E-Mail, if you are searching for data !

Ez2cDave@aol.com

Dave Fitch


UPDATE . . . The Scale Data archive is over 400 GB, at present.

Dave F.

blackshire 09-08-2022 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ez2cDave
If anyone needs data, I have almost 92 GB, at present, and it keeps growing . . . Please drop me an E-Mail, if you are searching for data !

Ez2cDave@aol.com

Dave Fitch
I'm not (at least not right now) searching for scale data, but (for others now, as well as perhaps for myself, in the future) do any of those entries you found and posted mention the Atlas-Able and/or the Thor-Altair (which was also referred to as the Thor-Burner I [the Thor-Burner II used the Surveyor Moon lander's solid propellant main retro-motor as its second stage, and the Thor-Burner IIA also had a second, smaller, spherical solid motor as its third stage])? The reason why I ask is because:

The Atlas-Able (an Atlas D topped by the upper two Vanguard upper stages, like the original Thor-Delta but with an Atlas first stage instead; none of the three Atlas-Able rounds got their spherical, STL/TRW-built Pioneer lunar probes [similar to Pioneer 5] to lunar orbit, as planned) used a modified, early Scout bulbous payload fairing (or a fairing that was quite closely patterned after the early--1959 - 1960--Scout bulbous payload fairing), and:

The earliest Thor-Burner I / Thor-Altair vehicles were launched in 1965. The cheap Thor-Burner vehicles usually orbited small, simple, coded-signal TV camera-equipped satellites (although later ones orbited polar- or heliosynchronous-orbit DMSP weather satellites) that orbited ahead of the Corona (operational Discoverer) and other film capsule-equipped, high-resolution photographic spy satellites, in the spysats' orbits. They returned TV images of planned photographic film targets, to avoid wasting the spy satellites' onboard, re-entry film "bucket" return capsules' film on clouded-over, or otherwise obscured, photographic targets (and occasionally, the inexpensive Thor-Burner-lofted TV camera "check film targets ahead" satellites caught unexpected but militarily significant targets themselves first, enabling even better "on-the-fly" film camera spysat picture coverage to be obtained). Also:

The earliest Thor-Burner I / Thor-Altair rounds used the earliest-type, narrow Scout payload fairing (such as was used for Explorer IX and for the other early, 12' diameter, white "polka-dot" pattern [for thermal control] aluminized Mylar, inflated-in-orbit Explorer AD--Atmospheric Density--'sub-series' of the Explorer satellites). Later Thor-Burner I / Thor-Altair rounds used the by-then-commonly-used (in 1965 - 66) bulbous Scout fairing, *and*:

Both the original (narrow) and bulbous Scout payload fairings encapsulated the Allegany Ballistics Laboratory Altair final (second) stage rocket motor, as well as the payload or payloads, in the Thor-Burner I / Thor-Altair. (Some--if not all--of the Thor-Burner I rockets used Altair-type second--top--stage motors; as with some other solid rocket motor types, other firms, such as--in this case--United Technologies Chemical Systems Division, with their FW-4 [the FW-4 was UT/CSD's "Altair," used as the Thor-Burner I, and some Scout & Delta vehicle, top stages, see: https://gobluechase.files.wordpress...lsion-final.pdf ], used the Allegany Ballistic Laboratory's much more famous Altair final stage rocket motor's name [even though UT/CSD didn't make the Altair motor], as "Thor-Altair" was much more recognizable and descriptive than "Thor-FW-4."

Ez2cDave 09-08-2022 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by blackshire
I'm not (at least not right now) searching for scale data, but (for others now, as well as perhaps for myself, in the future) do any of those entries you found and posted mention the Atlas-Able and/or the Thor-Altair (which was also referred to as the Thor-Burner I [the Thor-Burner II used the Surveyor Moon lander's solid propellant main retro-motor as its second stage, and the Thor-Burner IIA also had a second, smaller, spherical solid motor as its third stage])? The reason why I ask is because:

The Atlas-Able (an Atlas D topped by the upper two Vanguard upper stages, like the original Thor-Delta but with an Atlas first stage instead; none of the three Atlas-Able rounds got their spherical, STL/TRW-built Pioneer lunar probes [similar to Pioneer 5] to lunar orbit, as planned) used a modified, early Scout bulbous payload fairing (or a fairing that was quite closely patterned after the early--1959 - 1960--Scout bulbous payload fairing), and:

The earliest Thor-Burner I / Thor-Altair vehicles were launched in 1965. The cheap Thor-Burner vehicles usually orbited small, simple, coded-signal TV camera-equipped satellites (although later ones orbited polar- or heliosynchronous-orbit DMSP weather satellites) that orbited ahead of the Corona (operational Discoverer) and other film capsule-equipped, high-resolution photographic spy satellites, in the spysats' orbits. They returned TV images of planned photographic film targets, to avoid wasting the spy satellites' onboard, re-entry film "bucket" return capsules' film on clouded-over, or otherwise obscured, photographic targets (and occasionally, the inexpensive Thor-Burner-lofted TV camera "check film targets ahead" satellites caught unexpected but militarily significant targets themselves first, enabling even better "on-the-fly" film camera spysat picture coverage to be obtained). Also:

The earliest Thor-Burner I / Thor-Altair rounds used the earliest-type, narrow Scout payload fairing (such as was used for Explorer IX and for the other early, 12' diameter, white "polka-dot" pattern [for thermal control] aluminized Mylar, inflated-in-orbit Explorer AD--Atmospheric Density--'sub-series' of the Explorer satellites). Later Thor-Burner I / Thor-Altair rounds used the by-then-commonly-used (in 1965 - 66) bulbous Scout fairing, *and*:

Both the original (narrow) and bulbous Scout payload fairings encapsulated the Allegany Ballistics Laboratory Altair final (second) stage rocket motor, as well as the payload or payloads, in the Thor-Burner I / Thor-Altair. (Some--if not all--of the Thor-Burner I rockets used Altair-type second--top--stage motors; as with some other solid rocket motor types, other firms, such as--in this case--United Technologies Chemical Systems Division, with their FW-4 [the FW-4 was UT/CSD's "Altair," used as the Thor-Burner I, and some Scout & Delta vehicle, top stages, see: https://gobluechase.files.wordpress...lsion-final.pdf ], used the Allegany Ballistic Laboratory's much more famous Altair final stage rocket motor's name [even though UT/CSD didn't make the Altair motor], as "Thor-Altair" was much more recognizable and descriptive than "Thor-FW-4."


I will check to see what I have . . . THOR-related data is not plentiful, unfortunately.

Dave F.

blackshire 09-08-2022 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ez2cDave
I will check to see what I have . . . THOR-related data is not plentiful, unfortunately.

Dave F.
Thank You! Please take your time, as I'm not hurrying to do this. This is just the sort of information --a 'confirmatory note'--("This/these particular Scout payload fairing/fairings was/were also used in the Atlas-Able / Thor-Altair [or Thor-Burner I]) that could save a scale modeler a ^LOT^ of research time and drawing, if s/he simply knew (and could show, via an included note or notes that accompanied the drawing or drawings) that these vehicles, and the Scout, had the payload fairings in common, and:

(It's just like modeling the Delta E [TAID, Thrust-Augmented Improved Delta] or its next 'iteration or two,' which used the Thorad [the Long-Tank Thor] with three--or six--strap-on Castor booster motors, the latter of the two being called the "[Thorad] Delta Super Six." If a space modeler happened to also have Thor-Agena or Thorad-Agena drawings [with a note, or including a note or notes, in his or her Delta drawings--that mentioned that those improved Delta variants used "stock" Agena payload fairings], that bit of information would make the creation of a Delta E, Thorad-Delta, or [Thorad] Delta Super Six scale data pack considerably easier.)

Ez2cDave 09-08-2022 03:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackshire
Thank You! Please take your time, as I'm not hurrying to do this. This is just the sort of information --a 'confirmatory note'--("This/these particular Scout payload fairing/fairings was/were also used in the Atlas-Able / Thor-Altair [or Thor-Burner I]) that could save a scale modeler a ^LOT^ of research time and drawing, if s/he simply knew (and could show, via an included note or notes that accompanied the drawing or drawings) that these vehicles, and the Scout, had the payload fairings in common, and:

(It's just like modeling the Delta E [TAID, Thrust-Augmented Improved Delta] or its next 'iteration or two,' which used the Thorad [the Long-Tank Thor] with three--or six--strap-on Castor booster motors, the latter of the two being called the "[Thorad] Delta Super Six." If a space modeler happened to also have Thor-Agena or Thorad-Agena drawings [with a note, or including a note or notes, in his or her Delta drawings--that mentioned that those improved Delta variants used "stock" Agena payload fairings], that bit of information would make the creation of a Delta E, Thorad-Delta, or [Thorad] Delta Super Six scale data pack considerably easier.)


I posted my THOR-related data ( such as it is ).

Dave F.

blackshire 09-08-2022 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ez2cDave
I posted my THOR-related data ( such as it is ).

Dave F.
Thank you!


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