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blackshire 01-13-2011 05:27 AM

Semroc fireworks?
 
Hello All,

It's almost 2:30 AM where I am, so the late hour might have something to do with this idea. I have read that amateur pyrotechnician groups advocate using Estes motors as propulsion units for custom-made firework skyrockets and missiles because Estes' motors are so reliable. So...I wonder if Semroc's new motors could be sold to small firework manufacturers as OEM components to power their skyrockets and missiles? If so, it would create a second income stream that could help lower the prices for the NAR & CAR Certified Semroc motors when they become available...just "thinking out loud" here.

ghrocketman 01-13-2011 10:13 AM

Blackshire, I like your thinking here.
That could increase the overall production of Semroc motors that would probably serve to fill two good goals:
1) Increased volume of production would result in higher profit total for Semroc
2) Lower overall price per unit due to increased sales volume.

Carl@Semroc 01-13-2011 10:53 AM

We would never even think about getting involved with fireworks! In North carolina, it is illegal to manufacture pyrotechnics. Pyrotechnics are defined as fireworks or explosives by statute. Since we are a NFPA state, fireworks are defined by NFPA 1123 and model rocket engines are defined in NFPA 1125. The two are different with no overlap. Explosives are defined by the BATFE which does not classify model rocket engines as explosives. As long as we keep our products completely separate from fireworks, we can manufacture model rocket engines in NC under the restrictions of NFPA 1125.

It would not be worth it to have any dealings with fireworks or fireworks manufacturers in other states.

jeffyjeep 01-13-2011 12:28 PM

Aw, c'mon Carl! Where's your sense of adventure? Besides, maybe no one will notice. :D

sandman 01-13-2011 12:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
We would never even think about getting involved with fireworks! In North carolina, it is illegal to manufacture pyrotechnics. Pyrotechnics are defined as fireworks or explosives by statute. Since we are a NFPA state, fireworks are defined by NFPA 1123 and model rocket engines are defined in NFPA 1125. The two are different with no overlap. Explosives are defined by the BATFE which does not classify model rocket engines as explosives. As long as we keep our products completely separate from fireworks, we can manufacture model rocket engines in NC under the restrictions of NFPA 1125.

It would not be worth it to have any dealings with fireworks or fireworks manufacturers in other states.


That just didn't strike me as a good idea.

I have to go along with Carl.

ghrocketman 01-13-2011 01:38 PM

As long as you would be selling them as model rocket motors, what difference does it make if it is Joe Hobbybuilder or XYZ Firewurx Corp. buying them ?
Nobody mentioned actually marketing them as 'fireworks'; I think that is the key here.
On the show "Mythbusters" they use OBVIOUS Estes model rocket motors often in ridiculous stunts/applications that are violations of the model rocket safety code .
"Off Label" usages of products happens all the time.
I do however think it would be EXTREMELY FOOLISH to actually market them to firework companies; then you WOULD be implicit in the usage.

Then again, I would like to see ALL regulations of both consumer AND display fireworks removed as well.
I'd like it to go back to the way it was in the 60's prior to the ban on M80's, cherry bombs, silver salutes, and blockbusters.
Those can ALL be used safely and correctly.
Idiots holding them that had fingers blown off ruined it for the rest of us that have actual humanoid I.Q.'s.

CPMcGraw 01-13-2011 02:12 PM

My half-penny's worth...

In another thread, someone suggested wrapping SEMROC engines in Quest wrappers...

Maybe Bill could get Carl to produce Quest engines under contract. That would give Carl the manufacturing business for 'common' engine types, and Bill could put "Made In USA" on his engine packages...

Carl@Semroc 01-13-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by CPMcGraw
My half-penny's worth...

In another thread, someone suggested wrapping SEMROC engines in Quest wrappers...

Maybe Bill could get Carl to produce Quest engines under contract. That would give Carl the manufacturing business for 'common' engine types, and Bill could put "Made In USA" on his engine packages...

:chuckle: I am sure we could not compete against China!

CPMcGraw 01-13-2011 02:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
:chuckle: I am sure we could not compete against China!


Oh, well, the suggestion was only worth half-a-penny... :o

But it is fun to think about! :D

blackshire 01-13-2011 02:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ghrocketman
As long as you would be selling them as model rocket motors, what difference does it make if it is Joe Hobbybuilder or XYZ Firewurx Corp. buying them ?
Nobody mentioned actually marketing them as 'fireworks'; I think that is the key here.
On the show "Mythbusters" they use OBVIOUS Estes model rocket motors often in ridiculous stunts/applications that are violations of the model rocket safety code .
"Off Label" usages of products happens all the time.
I do however think it would be EXTREMELY FOOLISH to actually market them to firework companies; then you WOULD be implicit in the usage.

Then again, I would like to see ALL regulations of both consumer AND display fireworks removed as well.
I'd like it to go back to the way it was in the 60's prior to the ban on M80's, cherry bombs, silver salutes, and blockbusters.
Those can ALL be used safely and correctly.
Idiots holding them that had fingers blown off ruined it for the rest of us that have actual humanoid I.Q.'s.
Agreed, on all points! Carl may get this type of customer "by osmosis," as it were. I'm sure that not one of the "Mom & Pop" specialty firework manufacturers *ever* calls up Estes saying "We'd like to order 1,000 packs of B6-4 motors to power our "Sky Spectacle Skyrockets"; they get a relative or a friend to make the order and then transfer the motors to them. Carl may get orders like this, and if so he'll never know (any more than Estes does) how the motors are finally used.


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