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dwmzmm 09-01-2008 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
Dave,


It will go out tomorrow. Thanks!

I did not realize the Centuri 1B was Apollo 7. Does anyone have the service model silver wrap?


Thanks, Carl. You might want to get with Leroy Piester about the Centuri Saturn 1-B's
development; he could give some insight on the model's silver wrap. My model (even though it's about 37 years old) still has the wrap on. I'm planning on using the silver/
chrome monokote adhesive from BMS to help in the detailing of the SM finish. Shouldn't
be all that hard to do. I used the monokote to enhance the detailing of the SM to the
Estes K-36 Saturn - V I built recently.

Doug Sams 09-01-2008 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
I did not realize the Centuri 1B was Apollo 7. Does anyone have the service model silver wrap?
Carl,

My 1B is the Centuri 1/100 sold as EST #2048. I opened the box and took everything out, but it appears the silver for the SM is simply paint in this kit. The instuctions don't show a wrap for that. And I didn't see one anywhere in the parts.

Doug

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dwmzmm 09-01-2008 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Sams
Carl,

My 1B is the Centuri 1/100 sold as EST #2048. I opened the box and took everything out, but it appears the silver for the SM is simply paint in this kit. The instuctions don't show a wrap for that. And I didn't see one anywhere in the parts.

Doug

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The Estes version of the Centuri Saturn 1-B was simply painted silver (see the pic below of
the Estes model taken at the Makers Faire last October). When I get the chance over the
next couple of days, I may be able to make a rough trace of the silver wrap on my Centuri
model (in 1/100 scale, of course). I also have the Centuri Saturn - V, and I think I still have
what's left of the peel off piece from which the silver wrap came from (but it's different than
the 1-B's pattern).

Eagle3 09-02-2008 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Royatl
Sure, I can put it up, but it'll have to wait till tomorrow as I'm about to go out the door. I'll email you the particulars (ftp server and account) later tonight.


Roy, have you had a chance to upload the data yet?

Royatl 09-02-2008 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle3
Roy, have you had a chance to upload the data yet?


had some trouble with configuring the FTP server, but Chan now has the correct information and when he gets a chance to upload it, it will be available at http://www.soarrocketry.org/saturn/<filename>

barone 09-02-2008 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle3
I got mine Saturday and got the tube spirals filled yesterday. Has any one built this one similar to the 1/70 Estes Sat 1b and painted it in sub-assemblies? I'm just worried about seams or an ill fit with the scallop shroud.

That's what I planned on doing as well but it looks like you have to be careful with the orientation that way. I had the 1/100 1B and I think the decals for the black tanks already had the white background because I just don't remember masking it off. Oh well. :o

Since these aren't flying I'm taking the easy way and installing the single motor mount. Everyone doing the built up fins? I don't want to be different. :D

Eagle3 09-02-2008 03:44 PM

That's my plan. Going to start working on them tonight. I don't think I got the cluster option parts unless they're still in the popcorn packing.

kurtschachner 09-02-2008 07:05 PM

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Here is the wrap for the Centuri Saturn V. I have a scan if anyone wants it but it's too big to post to this board.

I also have a scan of the 1b here somewhere, just if I could find it. I was once told (by someone who should know) that the 1b wrap "wasn't very accurate" so I never drew it up. I don't know if that is true or not.

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Originally Posted by dwmzmm
The Estes version of the Centuri Saturn 1-B was simply painted silver (see the pic below of
the Estes model taken at the Makers Faire last October). When I get the chance over the
next couple of days, I may be able to make a rough trace of the silver wrap on my Centuri
model (in 1/100 scale, of course). I also have the Centuri Saturn - V, and I think I still have
what's left of the peel off piece from which the silver wrap came from (but it's different than
the 1-B's pattern).

kurtschachner 09-02-2008 07:07 PM

You are correct, the Estes kit did not have a white rectangle behind the letters. That was just making it needlessly difficult IMHO.

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Originally Posted by barone
That's what I planned on doing as well but it looks like you have to be careful with the orientation that way. I had the 1/100 1B and I think the decals for the black tanks already had the white background because I just don't remember masking it off. Oh well. :o

Since these aren't flying I'm taking the easy way and installing the single motor mount. Everyone doing the built up fins? I don't want to be different. :D

kurtschachner 09-02-2008 08:44 PM

OK, I don't have the Saturn 1b wrap. I remember now, the guy who had one said he'd send it to me, but that was about 10 years ago and it never happened. He kept telling me to use the pattern in ROTW as it was much more accurate. That however, would be hard to translate into a wrap due to the thin horizontal sections.

BUT, now that Rustee found one in a hobby shop it shouldn't be a problem. I asked him to scan all the stuff. I hope he does.

Carl@Semroc 09-02-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle3
That's my plan. Going to start working on them tonight. I don't think I got the cluster option parts unless they're still in the popcorn packing.
I only included parts for the 24mm mount for ease of display later. I have been working on an errata sheet, but EVERYTHING else keeps getting in the way!

The capsules went out today to everyone building a Saturn 1B. They are very fragile. Let us know if they get broken. We have a few spares.

We still need more builders! I will be going out to the "general population" soon. Additional suggestions for master builders is appreciated.

Eagle3 09-02-2008 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kurtschachner
OK, I don't have the Saturn 1b wrap. I remember now, the guy who had one said he'd send it to me, but that was about 10 years ago and it never happened. He kept telling me to use the pattern in ROTW as it was much more accurate. That however, would be hard to translate into a wrap due to the thin horizontal sections.


Last night I watched my "Mighty Saturns" dvd on Apollo 7 (until I fell asleep) and I saw what you are talking about. It would almost be easier to use thin white pin striping over chrome monokote.

Mark II 09-02-2008 09:24 PM

No sign of mine yet.

Mark \\.

chanstevens 09-03-2008 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
I only included parts for the 24mm mount for ease of display later. I have been working on an errata sheet, but EVERYTHING else keeps getting in the way!

The capsules went out today to everyone building a Saturn 1B. They are very fragile. Let us know if they get broken. We have a few spares.

We still need more builders! I will be going out to the "general population" soon. Additional suggestions for master builders is appreciated.


I've sent a note to Bob Cox (email bitemebob at hotmail dot com) who is a terrific builder, though I think he trolls TRF and not YORF. Hopefully he'll email your sales at semroc account. Note that Bob Cox is just an alias, and if he provides shipping info to you it is likely to be a different name.

I'm not sure if he's built any Saturns previously, but his work on sport models is fantastic. He did the big Q-Modeling Andromeda at NARCON--exceptional.

--Chan Stevens

Royatl 09-03-2008 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chanstevens
Anybody want to pony up some online storage briefly?

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I sent you login information yesterday. Let me know if you didn't get it.

chanstevens 09-03-2008 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Royatl
I sent you login information yesterday. Let me know if you didn't get it.


I did not get it that I know of. PM or email to chanstevens at gmail dot com. Might have wound up in a spam filter, though hat's doubtful...

My big stash of files is at home, so will have to wait 'till tonight to upload.

ghrocketman 09-03-2008 10:16 AM

Carl,
I would have volunteered if the completion date was about 1 month later, but unfortunately due to my schedule there is no way I could get a build with finish of this quality/caliber completed by early October.

Royatl 09-03-2008 11:42 PM

The files Chan provided are online for a month at:

http://www.soarrocketry.org/saturn/

Enjoy.

CPMcGraw 09-04-2008 01:04 AM

Thanks, Chan and Roy, for those files!

Chan (or anyone who has the answer :) ), is the blue coloring on the CM a wrap of some sort protecting the surface? Or was the CM actually blue-anodized (or just blue-tinted)?

chanstevens 09-04-2008 07:57 AM

Well, I was only 3 years old at the time, so not paying that much attention to it, but if you're referring to the first photo in the Apollo 7 SA-205 zip folder, then that's one I've always thought was just some sort of metal coating like a dye. I doubt it would be annodized, as that would not add much benefit prior to the tiles going on.

Eagle3 09-04-2008 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Royatl
The files Chan provided are online for a month at:

http://www.soarrocketry.org/saturn/

Enjoy.


Thanks guys!

CPMcGraw 09-04-2008 05:12 PM

I got a note in my mailbox this morning saying I had a package for pick-up. When I went to claim it, the lady picked it up and said "It weighs nuthin'! Light as a feather".

Now I can build both S1Bs together. Thanks, Carl!

Photos of the build as they become available... :D

barone 09-04-2008 07:16 PM

Got the Apogee capsule today. That is sweet! Thanks Carl for not putting us through the capsule build. :)

chanstevens 09-04-2008 09:30 PM

Construction's just about done, even the newly arrived capsule (love them Apogees). I'm going modular for relative ease in paint/masking, so still plenty of work left, and with the humidity in Ohio it might be weeks before I can paint...

1) I know these aren't supposed to be flight-worthy to save time, but would you have any heartburn if I at least included Kevlar for a recovery system? Just in case someone wants to eventually fly it?

2) You mentioned only the top 1-2 might be returned.What in the world will happen to the rest? If we offer to pony up the shipping costs, would you be willing to ship any of them back to us? I don't mind at all if some lucky recipient winds up with mine, but I'd hate for it to wind up gathering dust in some storage closet somewhere. Heck, I'd even wind up flying mine. Better yet, I'll trade ya this one for the older worn-out display model I built for you a few years ago. I heard someone even messed up the finish on that with a Sharpie at NARAM :rolleyes: .

--Chan Stevens

Royatl 09-04-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by barone
Got the Apogee capsule today. That is sweet! Thanks Carl for not putting us through the capsule build. :)



Not only that, but we won't have to do the Service Module's RCS housings either.

Eagle3 09-04-2008 10:01 PM

Got my capsule today too. Man, that's going to make it a lot easier. I got all the paper and wood cut out and will start putting the fins together tomorrow.

CPMcGraw 09-04-2008 11:45 PM

Here's another Saturn 1B photo website that has some good detail shots:


http://www.apollosaturn.com/frame-s1b.htm

CPMcGraw 09-05-2008 12:23 AM

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I said I'd post pictures when available...

Here's the first shot, with enough parts for two models. It's a rare image, showing a workbench with just the project materials on it. Around here, a clean workbench just doesn't happen that often...:o

barone 09-05-2008 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CPMcGraw
I said I'd post pictures when available...

Here's the first shot, with enough parts for two models. It's a rare image, showing a workbench with just the project materials on it. Around here, a clean workbench just doesn't happen that often...:o

Man, do I feel behind. I just got the tubes primered yesterday, will sand today (actually, I'm using steel wool). Had to dig back into the shipping box to find the wraps. I think once my grandaughter leaves, I'll dump the box on the floor to make sure I don't forget anything. When the box arrived, I brought it into the living room and then went to the bedroom for something. When I came back, my grandaughter was standing on the box (nice strong box Carl ;) ). And when I opened it, she was saying "dump it out, dump it out!" She loves to play with those styrofoam peanuts. Any way, just a long explanation on why I'm waiting for her to leave before dumping the box out onto the floor. :rolleyes:

chanstevens 09-05-2008 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl@Semroc
I only included parts for the 24mm mount for ease of display later. I have been working on an errata sheet, but EVERYTHING else keeps getting in the way!

The capsules went out today to everyone building a Saturn 1B. They are very fragile. Let us know if they get broken. We have a few spares.

We still need more builders! I will be going out to the "general population" soon. Additional suggestions for master builders is appreciated.


I'd be willing to build a second one if you don't get enough other builders. Honestly, replacing the tower and RCS details with the Apogee kit shaves at least 3-4 evenings' of scope out of it for me, so I find myself able to knock these guys out in about 15-20 hours apiece plus painting/masking time. It's really amazing how much faster these get after you've built a bunch of them first (this is probably 1b #12-15 or so, and Saturn/overall #25).

--Chan Stevens

CPMcGraw 09-05-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by barone
Man, do I feel behind. I just got the tubes primered yesterday, will sand today (actually, I'm using steel wool). Had to dig back into the shipping box to find the wraps...


It's been a little wet around here last few days, so the humidity is thick enough to cut with an X-Acto. Imagine trying to breathe with asthma... :(

I'm going to start with the small details first, and set them aside for final assembly. Tubes will probably get first-prime this weekend, sanded Monday or Tuesday.

Also trying to figure out how to do that hardpoint on the bottom of the fins...

Mark II 09-05-2008 10:25 PM

Got the capsule kit today. Still waiting for the rest.

Mark \\.

dwmzmm 09-05-2008 11:29 PM

No sign of the package here in Katy yet :( ......

dwmzmm 09-06-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kurtschachner
You are correct, the Estes kit did not have a white rectangle behind the letters. That was just making it needlessly difficult IMHO.


Probably another reason why the Estes 1/70 Saturn 1-B was a Skill Level - 5 build..... :D

CPMcGraw 09-06-2008 04:34 PM

The capsule arrived in Mobile today. Man, is this thing fragile-looking!

Addendum: OTOH, all of those nasty, unspeakable thoughts I have about plastic components on model rockets...don't apply with this kit. This is a beautiful piece of engineering. I just put the capsule on top of my still-unfinished LJ-II, and it immediately changed the appearance. Even without the LES on top, it made a huge difference.

dwmzmm 09-06-2008 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dwmzmm
No sign of the package here in Katy yet :( ......


Ditto for today...... :confused:

dwmzmm 09-07-2008 03:02 PM

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Took some pics of the Centuri Saturn 1-B's Service Module silver wrap. Bear in mind this
model is approximately 37 years old, so most of the RCS nozzles on the SM have broken off
over the years (either from storage and/or in the many flights taken).

The first pic is between Pos. I & II

The second pic is between Pos. II & III

The third pic is between Pos. III & IV

and

The last pic is between Pos. IV & I

Hope this helps.

barone 09-08-2008 06:41 PM

Hey guys....if you're following the instructions, don't do step 19 and 20 till after step 27. The fuel tank shroud won't fit over the top tank cover. :(

chanstevens 09-08-2008 07:06 PM

Good catch. Of course, I build these modular and paint before assembly, so I don't mount the tubes or centering ring till the end anyway, and then I slide the painted shroud assembly on over the finished tubes before topping off with the centering ring. It's a little tricky, but a lot easier than all that masking of tubes and the fluted shroud.

Eagle3 09-08-2008 08:49 PM

I'm building mine modular as well. I like to cut down as much masking as possible. Fewer opportunities to mess up. BTW - instead of masking the black tank tubes for the white stripes has anyone used white trim monokote for the stripe?


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