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Old 11-23-2009, 01:25 PM
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Does anyone currently (or have ever) kit a scale or semi-scale version of the AIR-2A Genie unguided air-to-air rocket ?

If no one kits, does anyone have plans ?

If this one would have been guided and had a longer than 10mi range, this could have been the ultimate air-to-air weapon. Instant vaporization of target.
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:35 PM
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Instant vaporization of target.


.... and launcher.
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Old 11-23-2009, 02:21 PM
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And Launcher?

Not really. The warhead was a little one and relied more on shock and pressure wave to destroy the enemy aircraft formation. Add to that the launching pilot would have launched, pulled a high G escape turn, grin, light up, and murmur, "Now it's Miller Time."

They actually fired a live Genie over the desert with several volunteers standing below the blast.
They survived the overhead blast (a few miles above them).

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Old 11-23-2009, 02:48 PM
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I have a friend who was trained in the air-to-air delivery of "tactical nukes" .... he tells interesting stories. I still have a hard time getting my head around the idea of a "little" nuclear weapon.
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Does anyone currently (or have ever) kit a scale or semi-scale version of the AIR-2A Genie unguided air-to-air rocket ?

If no one kits, does anyone have plans ?

If this one would have been guided and had a longer than 10mi range, this could have been the ultimate air-to-air weapon. Instant vaporization of target.


WHen you have a kiloton yield nuclear warhead, you don't NEED guidance to get the target!

Of course the counterpoint is, if you have a decent guidance system, you don't need a nuclear warhead to take out an aircraft either...

Still, the Genie is a cool looking rocket.

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WHen you have a kiloton yield nuclear warhead, you don't NEED guidance to get the target!

Of course the counterpoint is, if you have a decent guidance system, you don't need a nuclear warhead to take out an aircraft either...

Still, the Genie is a cool looking rocket.

Later! OL JR

The radar spike from the missile's guidance gives the shootee a heads up. Plus your plane still has to be flying towards the targets to keep the lock (assuming the missile is semi-active).

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And Launcher? Not really. The warhead was a little one and relied more on shock and pressure wave to destroy the enemy aircraft formation. Add to that the launching pilot would have launched, pulled a high G escape turn, grin, light up, and murmur, "Now it's Miller Time." They actually fired a live Genie over the desert with several volunteers standing below the blast. They survived the overhead blast (a few miles above them). FWIW, Chas

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The radar spike from the missile's guidance gives the shootee a heads up. Plus your plane still has to be flying towards the targets to keep the lock (assuming the missile is semi-active).
It isn't self-homing? (Is that the right term?) (It's obvious that I don't know anything about this one. Sounds very cool, though.)

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And Launcher?

Not really. The warhead was a little one and relied more on shock and pressure wave to destroy the enemy aircraft formation. Add to that the launching pilot would have launched, pulled a high G escape turn, grin, light up, and murmur, "Now it's Miller Time."

They actually fired a live Genie over the desert with several volunteers standing below the blast.
They survived the overhead blast (a few miles above them).

FWIW,
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Old 11-23-2009, 06:30 PM
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They actually fired a live Genie over the desert with several volunteers standing below the blast.
They survived the overhead blast (a few miles above them).

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Old 11-23-2009, 07:26 PM
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It isn't self-homing? (Is that the right term?) (It's obvious that I don't know anything about this one. Sounds very cool, though.)

MarkII

Luke said something about it not needing a nuclear warhead if it had a guidance system. I just stated why it wouldn't (assuming the goal is to take out an entire formation in one go. Otherwise, conventional warheads with guidance would be much better/cheaper/safer/etc.)
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