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Old 03-09-2007, 09:58 PM
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Looks like we were all waiting to pounce when Sheryl made the announcement here that they put the kits online!


I was out when the announcment came so I didn't get to order until the next day. So I got Defender #33 and SPEV # 37 (or the other way around). The number really doesn't matter to me since I plan to build them both, but it didn't take long to sell those first kits.
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Old 03-09-2007, 11:45 PM
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ROTFLMAO!!!

I just decided to look at the two "Defenders" I just recieved.

Let's see the Defenders are kit #KV-60, right?

Well, I got kits #13 and #14 but mine say kit KV-61 SPEV!

OOPS!

I double checked my order on the SEMROC web site and yes...I did order two "Defenders".


Does this raise the value of my two kits? Sorta like the upside down airmail stamp...OK, I guess not.

I'm sure Carl, Sheryl and Bruce will fix it when they get back from NARCOM.
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:13 AM
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Forget the Elmers wood filler/fill n' finish.
An "old time" kit design deserves "old school" finishing.....get some Aero Gloss or Sig Sanding Sealer or Balsa Fillercoat for those fins !
Nothing beats that "organic chemical" noxious fume dope finish !!!!!
Honestly I have cases of old stock and won't use anything else.


Lately I have been using Delta Ceramcoat All-Purpose Sealer. It does a good job of filling and sealing the wood with just a couple of coats, dries fast and sands really smooth. Also, it has no noxious fumes at all and is non-toxic. I found it in the crafts section at Wal-Mart, in the section with the decoupage and craft painting supplies. I'm sure that you'll be able to find it in other craft stores, too, like Michael's.

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Old 03-10-2007, 12:16 AM
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I have heard of some guys using photo paper glued over the balsa fins. Anyone have any success with this
Actually, I use the adhesive computer label paper, and then rub it down onto the main fin surfaces with a Sharpie cap. That's probably the coolest finishing trick I learned from David J. Miller (Sirius Rocketry)'s "Interrogator" kit.


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Depends. Jay swears by it, but I can see myself making a complete mess out of it.
Easy to do if the hole at the top of your thin CA bottle is too big, and you get the excess running onto the largest sides of the fins, instead of the edges.


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Old 03-10-2007, 01:35 PM
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ROTFLMAO!!!

I just decided to look at the two "Defenders" I just recieved.

Let's see the Defenders are kit #KV-60, right?

Well, I got kits #13 and #14 but mine say kit KV-61 SPEV!

OOPS!

I double checked my order on the SEMROC web site and yes...I did order two "Defenders".

Does this raise the value of my two kits? Sorta like the upside down airmail stamp...OK, I guess not.

I'm sure Carl, Sheryl and Bruce will fix it when they get back from NARCOM.


So you actually got one each of the SPEV and Defender, or the numbered card insert was just wrong on one of the Defenders? If the latter, I wonder who got the mislabled SPEV kit?
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Old 03-10-2007, 04:04 PM
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So you actually got one each of the SPEV and Defender, or the numbered card insert was just wrong on one of the Defenders? If the latter, I wonder who got the mislabled SPEV kit?



No...I ordered two (2) Defender kits.

I got two (2) SPEV kits.

That's all.

It was just an oops.
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Old 03-11-2007, 10:13 PM
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Delta Ceramcoat All-Purpose Sealer ????

Never heard of it....

NO noxious fumes and non-toxic ?
C'mon now, that can't be good, and it definitely is NOT in the spirit of building old-time kits using old-tyme materials/finishing !

That makes about as much sense as trying to launch an Estes Cold-Power rocket WITHOUT the genuine supposed ozone-depleting R-12 Freon propellant.
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:47 PM
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Delta Ceramcoat All-Purpose Sealer ????


I use it also because my wife and son have asthma. Sometime I mix lightwieght drywall spackle with it to help fill the deep balsa grain. Walmart and Michael's carry Delta Creamcoat and any Ace will heve the lightwieght drywall spackle.

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Old 03-12-2007, 06:49 PM
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The Sandman noted:

"No...I ordered two (2) Defender kits.

I got two (2) SPEV kits.

That's all.

It was just an oops."

Gordo,
Sheryl mentioned that at NARCON when I told her that my wife had said that my order had arrived. They plan on making the "oops" go away.

ghrocketman said:

"Delta Ceramcoat All-Purpose Sealer ????"

I tried it and let it dry for a couple of days. It didn't sand well for me. Like most products, some swear by it and others swear at it. Could have been a bad batch. I will try it again on a project that I am not too concerned about.

But not on Defender kits # 13 and 14, SPEV kits # 10 and 11, and Centurion kits #10 and 11. I will build the higher number kit.

BTW, most of you know that SEMROC retains kits # 1 through 5. John Dyer of Red River Rocketry gave Carl an original Defender kit last August at NARAM. At NARCON Carl gave John Defender kits #6 and 7. John had to buy one to build! LOL.

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Old 03-12-2007, 06:58 PM
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Delta Ceramcoat All-Purpose Sealer ????

Never heard of it....

NO noxious fumes and non-toxic ?
C'mon now, that can't be good, and it definitely is NOT in the spirit of building old-time kits using old-tyme materials/finishing !

That makes about as much sense as trying to launch an Estes Cold-Power rocket WITHOUT the genuine supposed ozone-depleting R-12 Freon propellant.


You know back in the 60's when my dad helped me build my first rocket kits he used Aero Gloss dopes and sanding sealer in the bottles exclusively. He built tissue covered planes prior to my getting into rockets so he was very familiar with those paints and that's what we used. It wasn't until later when I wanted to spray my finishes on that I started to purchase the Testors spray enamels in the small cans from the hobby shop.

I haven't really used Aero Gloss since I was a kid but I can tell you I do remember the fumes when I'd paint a model at the kitchen table with dad!

I may try the method Jay mentioned with the label paper on a future build but not on these beautiful laser cut fins for the Defender. I'm always looking for a short cut to filling and sanding but that's usually when I get into trouble.

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