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Old 04-16-2019, 03:52 PM
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Here is what Alex from Boyce Aerospace said about the weight:
"Here are actual weights if the boilerplate models with out motors but with nose weight:"

SA-5 5.8 oz
SA-7 5.9 oz

I noticed that the 1/100 Scale Saturn 1B in the 1992 Cat. said 5.3 oz
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Old 04-16-2019, 10:08 PM
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Here is what Alex from Boyce Aerospace said about the weight:
"Here are actual weights if the boilerplate models with out motors but with nose weight:"

SA-5 5.8 oz
SA-7 5.9 oz

I noticed that the 1/100 Scale Saturn 1B in the 1992 Cat. said 5.3 oz

A C11-3 might just do it justice. If not, a pair of B6-2's probably will, if a mount can be squeezed in.
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Old 04-17-2019, 09:29 PM
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A C11-3 might just do it justice. If not, a pair of B6-2's probably will, if a mount can be squeezed in.
Hmmm...that's an interesting possibility, which would be much easier to implement in such 3D printed (rather than injection-molded) models. The 1:125 scale Cox Saturn IB was made that way, being able to accommodate either a single 24 mm x 70 mm D12 motor (a short-delay C11 might have worked, too) or two 18 mm x 70 mm motors. It came with two black plastic "squeeze-tab" motor ring retainer clips, an oblong one for the double-18 mm motor arrangement and a circular one for the 24 mm motor (the 24 mm one was thick-walled enough to cover the edges of the 18 mm motors' openings, so that the 24 mm motor's ejection charge would pressurize the body and eject the "nose cone"--the SLA adapter and everything from it to the CM escape tower--and the parachute(s) and shock cord). Since the Boyce Aerospace Hobbies Saturn I/IB models use kraft paper body tubes and 3D printed plastic parts, the S-I (or S-IB) first stage tankage could serve as one or more "stuffer tubes," leaving a smaller interior volume that would need to be pressurized in order to eject the "nose cone" and the recovery system.
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Old 04-18-2019, 02:35 PM
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We really do have a lot of engine Choices in the 24mm line. We could go with reducer and use C12 or D16, we could use Estes C11 or D12 or even E12 with added nose weight. We could go with Aerotech 18mm on reducer such as:
Single Use 18mm Motors

Time Motor Max Total Average
Motor Delay Diam. Liftoff Impulse Thrust
Product # Type (sec) in/mm Wt. (oz) lbs/N-s lbs
ARO42104 D21 4T 2.75/70 16.0 4.5/20.0 4.7
ARO42107 D21 7T 2.75/70 11.2 4.5/20.0 4.7
ARO52504 E25 4T 2.75/70 16.0 4.5/22.0 5.6
ARO52507 E25 7T 2.75/70 12.0 4.5/22.0 5.6
Single Use 24mm Motors

Time Motor Max Total Average
Motor Delay Diam. Liftoff Impulse Thrust
Product # Type (sec) in/mm Wt.(oz) lbs/N-s lbs
ARO51504 E15 4W 2.75/70 16.0 9.0/40.0 3.4
ARO51507 E15 7W 2.75/70 9.5 9.0/40.0 3.4
ARO53004 E30 4T 2.75/70 16.0 9.0/40.0 6.7
ARO53007 E30 7T 2.75/70 10.6 9.0/40.0 6.7

Or

Reloadable 18mm Motors

Time Motor Max Total Average
Motor Delay Diam. Liftoff Impulse Thrust
Product # Type (sec) in/mm Wt.(oz) lbs/N-s lbs
ARO41304 D13 4W .70/18 16.0 4.5/20 2.9
ARO41307 D13 7W .70/18 11.2 4.5/20 2.9
ARO41310 D13 10W .70/18 8.0 4.5/20 2.9
ARO42404 D24 4T .70/18 16.0 4.5/20 5.4
ARO42407 D24 7T .70/18 11.2 4.5/20 5.4
ARO42410 D24 10T .70/18 8.0 4.5/20 5.4
ARO52704 E27 4T .70/18 16.0 5.2/23 6.1
Reloadable 24mm Motors

Time Motor Max Total Average
Motor Delay Diam. Liftoff Impulse Thrust
Product # Type (sec) in/mm Wt.(oz) lbs/N-s lbs
ARO40904 D9 4W 2.75/70 7.1 4.5/20.0 2.0
ARO40907 D9 7W 2.75/70 4.2 4.5/2.0 2.0

ARO41504 D15 4T 2.75/70 16.0 4.5/20.0 3.4
ARO41507 D15 7T 2.75/70 11.2 4.5/20.0 3.4
ARO41510 D15 10T 2.75/70 8.0 4.5/20.0 3.4

ARO51103 E11 3J 2.75/70 16.0 7.9/35.0 2.5
ARO51105 E11 5J 2.75/70 12.0 7.9/35.0 2.5

ARO51804 E18 4W 2.75/70 16.0 9.0/40.0 4.0
ARO51807 E18 7W 2.75/70 9.5 9.0/40.0 4.0
ARO51810 E18 10W 2.75/70 5.5 9.0/40.0 4.0

ARO52804 E28 4T 2.75/70 16.0 9.0/40.0 6.3
ARO52807 E28 7T 2.75/70 10.6 9.0/40.0 6.3
ARO52810 E28 10T 2.75/70 7.1 9.0/40.0 6.3

ARO61203 F12 3J 2.75/70 18.0 9.7/43.0 2.7
ARO61205 F12 5J 2.75/70 15.0 9.7/43.0 2.7

ARO62404 F24 4W 2.75/70 16.0 11.2/50.0 5.4
ARO62407 F24 7W 2.75/70 9.5 11.2/50.0 5.4
ARO62410 F24 10W 2.75/70 5.5 11.2/50.0 5.4

ARO63906 F39 6T 2.75/70 18.0 11.2/50.0 8.8
ARO63909 F39 9T 2.75/70 14.0 11.2/50.0 8.8
ARO63912 F39 12T 2.75/70 9.0 11.2/50.0 8.8

Some of those are way to powerful for my liking where I fly now days, but they all are possibilities that is for sure.

I like the E11, love the slow flight with heavy black smoke but still to much motor for where I fly. I use to use that motor on light factory built 2001 Saturn V.
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Old 04-23-2019, 05:16 PM
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My Saturn's, SA5, SA7 and extra 1/100 Apollo Capsule set is on the way as of Monday. I was able to get in on the first batch of rockets.

Happy I made the cutoff since there will be a delay on when the 2nd batch goes out.

Got my tubes from E-Rockets ready to go to
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:01 PM
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I'm like you Flash, I got my notice they had been shipped Monday. I have the tubes also.
I'm interested to read the instruction to see what the measurements of all the tubes are.
I plan to do the artwork for the fuel tank tubes and the marking on the other tubes.
I know they have vinyl markings but I'll have to see them.

These are going to be quite nice projects to work on.
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:31 AM
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I'm like you Flash, I got my notice they had been shipped Monday. I have the tubes also.
I'm interested to read the instruction to see what the measurements of all the tubes are.
I plan to do the artwork for the fuel tank tubes and the marking on the other tubes.
I know they have vinyl markings but I'll have to see them.

These are going to be quite nice projects to work on.


That would be great, your other Saturn 1B art work was awesome! I would love to be able to get a copy of your Saturn 1's artwork.

Hope you make it available to us all

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Old 04-24-2019, 01:12 PM
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Guess what I just got in NC today, less than three full days from CA?

I got my Boyce Aerospace SA5 and SA7 builder's kits along with extra Apollo nose cone set

Awesome!!!

All I need now is time and some "the Mole" downloadable printable skins Hint
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:43 PM
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Mine arrived today also. Well packed no damage. The parts are somewhat smooth.
I can work with them. Decal is alright but I will be working on wraps for the SA-5
and 7. At this point, I am really satisfied
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:05 PM
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Info on the tube measurements on the SA-5
BT-70 Length in inches 3 5/32" or 3.15"
BT-19 Length in inches 7 29/32" or 7.91"
BT-50 Length in inches 10 3/64" or 10.06"
BT-58 Length in inches 1 47/64" or 1.73"
Center of Gravity balancing point is 11 7/32" or 11.22"

Info on the tube measurements on the SA-7
BT-70 Length in inches 3 5/32" or 3.15"
BT-19 Length in inches 7 29/32" or 7.91"
BT-50 Length in inches 10 3/64" or 10.06"
BT-58 Length in inches 3 9/16" or 3.56"
Center of Gravity balancing point is 15 35/64" or 15.55"

Have read the instruction. They are pretty easy to understand.
Well the first thing for me is to cut the BT-19 tubes and layout the weld lines
and position the UNITED STATES on the tanks.

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