BANNED by the weenies over on TRF

[ghrocketman]

Guess what ?
I was just BANNED for a week by the WEENIE HACK moderators over on TRF.

In their "Watering Hole" section in a posting I basically stated that "The only thing funnier than smashing pumpkins was mailbox basebawl"

Reason for ban: "Advocating a federal crime"
My answer to that is Boo-F'n-Hoo and anybody with half a brain knows what the "F" stands for.
They obviously have ZERO sense of humor over there if they took the comment seriously.
I don't know why I even bother with that site anyway as their level of BS over-moderation by their GESTAPO-like moderators is a joke.

If any of their hack moderators notices this posting here, let me take the time to tell any and all of them they can kiss my gluteus maximus !

[Jerry Irvine]

Guess what ?
I was just BANNED for a week by the WEENIE HACK moderators over on TRF.

In their "Watering Hole" section in a posting I basically stated that "The only thing funnier than smashing pumpkins was mailbox basebawl"

Reason for ban: "Advocating a federal crime"
My answer to that is Boo-F'n-Hoo and anybody with half a brain knows what the "F" stands for.
They obviously have ZERO sense of humor over there if they took the comment seriously.
I don't know why I even bother with that site anyway as their level of BS over-moderation by their GESTAPO-like moderators is a joke.

If any of their hack moderators notices this posting here, let me take the time to tell any and all of them they can kiss my gluteus maximus !
Since you were just saying how funny something was and they "accused you of a crime", you now have a cause of action against them.

Jerry

[ghrocketman]

They did not accuse me of any crime, they said I was ADVOCATING a federal crime by my obvious Humor-intended joke post.
They got their panties all in a bunch and acted with typical knee-jerk OVER-reaction.
Those clowns are OBVIOUSLY wound WAAAYYYYYYY too tight over there.

[Brain]

They did not accuse me of any crime, they said I was ADVOCATING a federal crime by my obvious Humor-intended joke post.
They got their panties all in a bunch and acted with typical knee-jerk OVER-reaction.
Those clowns are OBVIOUSLY wound WAAAYYYYYYY too tight over there.
With this logic, Stephen King ought to come under suspicion for all the nasty things he comes up with!

[El Cheapo]

I remember doing that as a teen out of the back of a moving pickup with a 2x4 :chuckle: At least we weren't out doing drugs or picking on the Rocket Nerds :D

[sam_midkiff]

I remember doing that as a teen out of the back of a moving pickup with a 2x4 :chuckle: At least we weren't out doing drugs or picking on the Rocket Nerds :D

And how do you know it wasn't a rocket nerd's mailbox you hit?

Sam

[Doug Sams]

I remember doing that as a teen out of the back of a moving pickup with a 2x4 :chuckle: I've seen folks get the sh*t knocked out of them when the sign/mailbox didn't give and the stick/2x4/bat kicked back on them - not a pleasant outcome :eek:

I think throwing empty bottles was much safer, altho I broke the west coast style mirror on a semi tractor one day when I threw a bottle out the passenger side window at a sign :D

Doug

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[sam_midkiff]

I've seen folks get the sh*t knocked out of them when the sign/mailbox didn't give and the stick/2x4/bat kicked back on them - not a pleasant outcome :eek:

I think throwing empty bottles was much safer, altho I broke the west coast style mirror on a semi tractor one day when I threw a bottle out the passenger side window at a sign :D

Doug

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In my previous house with an RFD mailbox I would fantasize about filling the mailbox with cement. Too many lawyers in the world to actually do it ...

Sam

[tbzep]

Guess what ?
I was just BANNED for a week by the WEENIE HACK moderators over on TRF.

In their "Watering Hole" section in a posting I basically stated that "The only thing funnier than smashing pumpkins was mailbox basebawl"

Reason for ban: "Advocating a federal crime"
My answer to that is Boo-F'n-Hoo and anybody with half a brain knows what the "F" stands for.
They obviously have ZERO sense of humor over there if they took the comment seriously.
I don't know why I even bother with that site anyway as their level of BS over-moderation by their GESTAPO-like moderators is a joke.

If any of their hack moderators notices this posting here, let me take the time to tell any and all of them they can kiss my gluteus maximus !

What's even funnier is that even without the gluteus maximus line, they will still probably extend the ban because you posted about it here. :chuckle:

[tbzep]

I've seen folks get the sh*t knocked out of them when the sign/mailbox didn't give and the stick/2x4/bat kicked back on them - not a pleasant outcome :eek:

Something similar happened to one of my baseball teammates coming home from a game late one evening when we saw a ground hog sitting up beside the road. He held on to the bat, but it jerked his arms back pretty good. I didn't think the ground hog would ever stop tumbling end over end. :eek: :D

[jharding58]

With this logic, Stephen King ought to come under suspicion for all the nasty things he comes up with!

Ye Gods! Imagine the foul deeds that the SAW films have initiated!!!

[jeffyjeep]

In my previous house with an RFD mailbox I would fantasize about filling the mailbox with cement. Too many lawyers in the world to actually do it ...

Sam
There was a CSI episode about exactly that.

[cas2047]

The funniest mailbox incident I've ever heard of is at my sisters place in Atkinson NH.

After 9-11 remember the big anthrax scare where everyone was worried about the white powder. Well someone put a letter in her mailbox and there was white powder coming out of it so she called the police department who called the fire department who came down and, with a chainsaw, cut down her mailbox by sawing through the post. They put the whole thing inside two big clear plastic bags and heafted it on to the back of the fire truck. She said it was an odd sight seeing the firetruck with her mailbox on the back followed by a police escort driving down the street.

It turned out to be just white powder after the tests came back and they never did find out who did it. It was probably some kids...

[El Cheapo]

I've seen folks get the sh*t knocked out of them when the sign/mailbox didn't give and the stick/2x4/bat kicked back on them - not a pleasant outcome :eek:

I think throwing empty bottles was much safer, altho I broke the west coast style mirror on a semi tractor one day when I threw a bottle out the passenger side window at a sign :D

Doug

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That happened once. My buddy didn't notice it was a slump block mailbox. Not sure how he didn't see that at 30mph in the dark leaning over the truck bed. Almost knocked him out of the truck. Remember the cartoons where they would hit a solid object and their whole body would go.....DOIIIIIINNNNGGGGG. LOL

[Bill]

Guess what ?
I was just BANNED for a week by the WEENIE HACK moderators over on TRF.



I gave up on that place after posting something along the lines of "Someone really needs to buy those rockets, drive them out to Black Rock and fly them at Balls" to this thread
http://www.rocketryforumarchive.com/showthread.php?t=49422 and having it pulled while other, more explicit comments were allowed to remain.

It just quit being fun over there.


Bill

[blackshire]

In my previous house with an RFD mailbox I would fantasize about filling the mailbox with cement. Too many lawyers in the world to actually do it ...In the South Miami neighborhood where a late friend of mine lived, one of his neighbors lost several steel trash cans to a couple of teenage boys who would ram them with their car late at night; he heard the engine and the collisions, then the screech of tires as they made their getaways. He was never able to get the tag number because they always retreated around the other side of the block while departing the scene. One night he heard the car, a collision, and then...nothing. Going to the scene, he found the wrecked car, the teenagers, his neighbor, and the still-intact trash can--which his neighbor had filled up with concrete!

My friend had his own "run-ins" with another teenage driver, who would do "doughnuts" in his front yard at night (turning the car's steering wheel over hard-left or hard-right, then skidding the tires to rip up the grass and throw up dirt in two concentric circles in the yard). After the second such incident, he buried several lengths of carpet furring strips (thin wood strips) with nails protruding through them in his front yard, with the nails pointing up. When his unwelcome visitor arrived and started doing a doughnut, he stepped outside carrying his pistol. Seeing him, the teenage driver threw his car into reverse and backed up in a panic, puncturing all four tires on the nails in the furring strips. He retreated into the night driving on the rims, and my friend's front yard was never torn up again.

[STRMan]

I gave up on that place after posting something along the lines of "Someone really needs to buy those rockets, drive them out to Black Rock and fly them at Balls" to this thread
http://www.rocketryforumarchive.com/showthread.php?t=49422 and having it pulled while other, more explicit comments were allowed to remain.

It just quit being fun over there.


Bill

I gave up on that place what seems like YEARS ago. There is the inner circle, that can say ANYTHING they want and get a pass on it. It is the ONLY rocketry related website I've ever been to that has no joy. The mods are megalomaniacs. For the life of me, with the great people on this forum, I don't understand what people see in that place, other than the self anointed EXPERTS.

[tbzep]

I gave up on that place what seems like YEARS ago. There is the inner circle, that can say ANYTHING they want and get a pass on it.

Yep. The inner circle can say anything, including belittling people, usually when they are offline. Then they make sure that the thread gets locked before the person can defend himself.

[tbzep]

Reason for ban: "Advocating a federal crime"


Ok, the funniest part is that they didn't delete or edit your posts, so now they are also contributing to the delinquency of a (potential) mailbox basebawler. :chuckle:

[evo666]

I'm a moderator on a car forum and I would of just let that comment go.
btw in before the lock for ranting :)

[tbzep]

I'm a moderator on a car forum and I would of just let that comment go.
btw in before the lock for ranting :)

Moderator for a car forum.....

So you are a restrictor plate? :chuckle:

[SCE to AUX]

I gave up on that place after posting something along the lines of "Someone really needs to buy those rockets, drive them out to Black Rock and fly them at Balls" to this thread
http://www.rocketryforumarchive.com/showthread.php?t=49422 and having it pulled while other, more explicit comments were allowed to remain.

It just quit being fun over there.


Bill

Meanwhile, there is one member over there who has the "pud-knocker" line from The Right Stuff quoted IN HIS SIGNATURE in every post he makes. But strangely, no reaction from the usually priggish TRF mod-squad.

[foose4string]

Guess what ?
I was just BANNED for a week by the WEENIE HACK moderators over on TRF.

In their "Watering Hole" section in a posting I basically stated that "The only thing funnier than smashing pumpkins was mailbox basebawl"

Reason for ban: "Advocating a federal crime"
My answer to that is Boo-F'n-Hoo and anybody with half a brain knows what the "F" stands for.
They obviously have ZERO sense of humor over there if they took the comment seriously.
I don't know why I even bother with that site anyway as their level of BS over-moderation by their GESTAPO-like moderators is a joke.

If any of their hack moderators notices this posting here, let me take the time to tell any and all of them they can kiss my gluteus maximus !



I have to admit, I don't spend near as much time there as I used to, but it's been a better place since they added a MMX section. :D (it was like throwing a steak to a guard dog to divert his attention).

For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would want to ban someone as sweet and innocent as you! You coohabitate so well, are unopinionated, always positive, and never try to stir feces. They have some nerve! :chuckle:

[Scotty Dog]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ghrocketman
I refuse to vote as NONE of the choices are the CORRECT one.
The correct one should read: "This whole 2012 impending doom is a huge load of Guff/Bunk/Baloney/Excrement/Nonsense/Hooey/Hawgwash"

Freedom of choice, thats cool. The thing is ,IF and I say IF the world does end ,Whos gona be around to say "I told you it wasnt a huge load of Guff/Bunk/Baloney/Excrement/Nonsense/Hooey/Hawgwash So, that reply is a win,win for you GHrocketman, you cannt lose on that one.However, If we are still here after 2012, I can say with the ut most confidence that you will be there on the soap box letting the world know HOW WRONG THEY WERE while driving around in your BIG ASS,GAS HOG ,oil leaking,smoking CAR,throwing cigs,beer cans,candy wrappers out the window. Doing 65 mph in a 35 mph zone flipping off the one "Barney" hick cop you have up there in the sticks while singing "This land is my land,this land is my land and the hell with the rest of ya all.
__________________
NAR 90998 "Thought in the mind hath made us.What we are-By thought was wrought and built.If a man's mind-Hath evil thoughts,pain comes on him as comes-The wheel the ox behind...-...If one endure-In purity of thought, joy follows him-As his shadow--sure" Scotty Dog
I been waiting for a reply to this and now I know why it has taken so long.

[evo666]

How about a warning before a ban? Seems like they're quick to pull the trigger. Maybe the mod was having a bad day and wanted to release some power. I see this happen all the time.

[pantherjon]

How about a warning before a ban? Seems like they're quick to pull the trigger. Maybe the mod was having a bad day and wanted to release some power. I see this happen all the time.
He was given an 'infraction'..He had 2 previously, which gave him 3 which equals a temporary ban..From the Rules and Guidelines:
Any user with three infractions on their record will be banned from the forum for a period of time.

You can read all of it here (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showpost.php?p=113907&postcount=1)

[mperdue]

He was given an 'infraction'..He had 2 previously, which gave him 3 which equals a temporary ban Those previous infractions must have slipped his mind...

[STRMan]

TRF is a JOKE!

If the rules were to be applied equally to all, then that would be one thing. They are not. Those in the "inside clique" can say anything they want and it gets a pass. The mods are megalomaniacs that suck the joy out of this great pastime. It will not change, so why bother even going there?

No offense, but if you even go back there after your temporary ban is over, you are a sucker. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Then again, if you are the sort of person that enjoys being reprimanded for being a bad boy, while the teachers pets get away with the same thing on a regular basis, maybe TRF is the right place for you.

BTW, I was never banned. I just got sick of seeing the unequal treatment of others there. I bailed and will never log on again. Best decision I ever made.

I'd take the uncensored zaniness over at N3 WAY before the stuck up schoolmarms over at TRF. Then again, YORF is just right, so why look elsewhere?

[Jerry Irvine]

TRF and to some degree all the rocket websites are "vanity press". They are there to stroke the ego of the owner or moderator, not to seek some end all of mass consumer awareness and conversion to rocket sales for all vendors alike.

Now my own experience with a vanity press exercise in California Rocketry magazine and watching several others before and since reinforces my long observations and experience my claims are the case.

However I also performed another test. A regional launch where all comers were welcome, cash in hand or not, free to fly whatever they wish and to buy motors of a wider range than they had ever seen. This practice triggered the formation of about 10 distinct motor manufacturers, about 12 kit manufacturers, and 4 clubs. There was almost no focus on publishing the results, or magazines able to adequately show the variety and depth of activities and people at the events, which went on for 8 years, 3-4 times a year.

The test showed the final answer. Local motion.

Jerry

[jimbob]

None of my business but im a little surprised to see that smashing mailboxes and harmless animals with baseball bats is considered fun.
I moved to the US from the UK in 2007 and yeah it cost me everything i had to settle here , i along with other neighbors got the mailboxes smashed one night.
I didnt see the humor in shelling out $200 for a new one .I don't see whats fun about mindless vandelism.

[Jerry Irvine]

I don't see whats fun about mindless vandelism.
Get drunk, join a mob of underemployed youth, then you will see.

You still won't like it, but you'll see. :D

Jerry

[El Cheapo]

Your right, its not funny or cool at all. Nevertheless, it's something I did as a kid.

My whole block had the antennas stolen off all cars left parked outside one night. That was kinda funny if you ask me. I actually went back to the carwash to see if anybody may have turned it in. It wasn't until that afternoon when one of the neighbors told me what happened.

[luke strawwalker]

In my previous house with an RFD mailbox I would fantasize about filling the mailbox with cement. Too many lawyers in the world to actually do it ...

Sam

I'll quote a story a bus driver friend of mine told me.

SHe's been a driver for MANY years, and a decade or so back had a LOT of problems for a pretty long time (months at least) with her mailbox getting demolished by punks with baseball bats. She never could catch them, but she had a pretty good idea who was doing it.

SHe had a friend who helped her out. He gave her a piece of 1 inch thick oilfield steel casing that JUST fit inside her mailbox. She put it in there surreptitiously on a Friday evening and waited. Sure enough, over the weekend her mailbox got a VERY prominent and suspicious dent in it.

Come Monday morning, the kid she suspected had been doing it (he rode her bus and got in trouble often) got on the bus with his arm in a cast and a bruise on his head... She asked him "what happened?" but he wouldn't look her in the face or answer her, merely sheepishly said something about "falling down"...

She never had any problems with her mailbox being smashed again...

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Good for her! Punk deserved what he got! Paybacks are heck...

Later! OL JR :)

[Bravo52]

BTW, I was never banned. I just got sick of seeing the unequal treatment of others there. I bailed and will never log on again. Best decision I ever made.




I don't believe you.

[STRMan]

I don't believe you.

Wow. That's amazing. Go back and do a search on my name. Browse through my last few posts. I got fed up with the whole shebang. I used STRMan, same as I do here, same as I do everywhere. My real name is Paul Savia. I live in the greater Daytona Beach Florida area. Why would I be lying if it is so easy to check out my story? Send a PM to the mods and see if I was ever banned. I never was. I just went away when I had enough.

I have never been called a liar before on this forum. Truly amazing. Are you a mod over there or one of the "chosen few".

[Jerry Irvine]

I have never been called a liar before on this forum. Truly amazing. Are you a mod over there or one of the "chosen few".
I think/hope it was sarcastic.

We all should log on with new/fake names, have a discussion among ourselves which is in no way profane, but is an endless argument about how rocketry needs MORE regulation not less.

They would let that run.

Just Jerry

Anyone with a 5 digit TRA # is a POS. TRA #12 :D

[blackshire]

TRF is a JOKE!

If the rules were to be applied equally to all, then that would be one thing. They are not. Those in the "inside clique" can say anything they want and it gets a pass. The mods are megalomaniacs that suck the joy out of this great pastime. It will not change, so why bother even going there?

No offense, but if you even go back there after your temporary ban is over, you are a sucker. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Then again, if you are the sort of person that enjoys being reprimanded for being a bad boy, while the teachers pets get away with the same thing on a regular basis, maybe TRF is the right place for you.

BTW, I was never banned. I just got sick of seeing the unequal treatment of others there. I bailed and will never log on again. Best decision I ever made.

I'd take the uncensored zaniness over at N3 WAY before the stuck up schoolmarms over at TRF. Then again, YORF is just right, so why look elsewhere?I had been contemplating joining TRF, but your posting above (along with several others I've read here on YORF over the last few months) have persuaded me to not bother. I had plenty of experiences with such juvenile behavior on USENET forums, and one dose of that per life is enough!

[blackshire]

None of my business but im a little surprised to see that smashing mailboxes and harmless animals with baseball bats is considered fun.
I moved to the US from the UK in 2007 and yeah it cost me everything i had to settle here , i along with other neighbors got the mailboxes smashed one night.
I didnt see the humor in shelling out $200 for a new one .I don't see whats fun about mindless vandelism.Such American yobs are our equivalent of UK "soccer hooligans," and are equally barbaric.

[Bill]

Anyone with a 5 digit TRA # is a POS. TRA #12 :D

I wouldn't say that, though the leading 0 in mine is starting to make me feel like an old man.

What I find truly impressive is someone whose NAR # is smaller than their TRA #. Yes, there is at least one of those that I am aware of.


Bill

[Bill]

I'd take the uncensored zaniness over at N3 WAY before the stuck up schoolmarms over at TRF. Then again, YORF is just right, so why look elsewhere?


Hear! Hear!

I never joined N3. There is something wrong with having to join something so I can see what's in it.

I am a member of RP, but that place just never felt like home.


Bill

[tbzep]

I didnt see the humor in shelling out $200 for a new one .

Not only were you vandalized, but you were also robbed if you spent that much on a mail box. :eek:

[Bravo52]

Wow. That's amazing. Go back and do a search on my name. Browse through my last few posts. I got fed up with the whole shebang. I used STRMan, same as I do here, same as I do everywhere. My real name is Paul Savia. I live in the greater Daytona Beach Florida area. Why would I be lying if it is so easy to check out my story? Send a PM to the mods and see if I was ever banned. I never was. I just went away when I had enough.

I have never been called a liar before on this forum. Truly amazing. Are you a mod over there or one of the "chosen few".

Well, I wouldn't have gone as far as to call you a liar. Those are your words not mine although some could just consider that semantics. "Liar" seems a little harsh but I just don't believe you will never go to TRF again. Statements like that are too emotional especially when combined with "best decision I ever made." I don't believe that either. I'm sure there are some that know you who would disagree.

Guys like ghrocketman, who is a self-proclaimed antagonist, seem to have a goal of either; 1) see how quickly they can rile someone up, 2) get banned on TRF, or 3) come to another board and complain about something they caused in the first place. In any case, he is a very successful man. He was able to achieve that goal! Congratulations! A triple header! Ghrocketman was able to do all three very quickly (probably not a record. I think that might be held by Sheri) That's the kind of stuff that spoils the fun on these forums.

At any rate, one point I want to get across is that there is too much good information about the hobby on TRF as well as YORF, RP, EMRR and others to over look. If you enjoy rocketry, then I believe you'll go back. Even if it's to just look around.

And NO, I'm not a Moderator or one of the "chosen few" ...what ever that is.

I'm the other Jerry and I live in Louisiana.

[ghrocketman]

I'm done with that POS TRF website anyway.
The moderators over there are all a bunch of useless knee-jerk hacks that more often than not have their HEADS in their behinds anyway.
The "Watering Hole" section is about as worthwhile as a watering hole full of URINE with all that USELESS OVER-moderation.
That entire website needs a KING-SIZE ENEMA from a TANKER TRUCK to flush out all FECAL-HEADED GESTAPO Moderators (and that is saying it NICELY) !

To any of the useless TURD moderators from TRF that may also frequent this website, once again let me extend my wholehearted offer for you to KISS MY BUTTOCKS !

They are humorless over there; people afraid of free speech are the same kind of idiots that think banning information about contraception will prevent teenage pregnancy.
Actually I think it would be great if the courts would support first amendment free-speech with ZERO repercussions in any situation at any time ! THAT would TRULY ROCK and would really cut down PC-speak that I find has PERVADED our entire society.

NOTHING worse than a bunch of uppity PRUDES.
That seems to be a pre-requisite for being a moderator over on POS TRF.
I'd take the ZERO moderation of N3rd over that crapola ANY DAY.
On N3, if you deserve it, you get wholesale blasted with no holds barred.
Thats the way it should be with zero fear of repercussion AT ALL.


I would also like to extend my thanks to Scott who owns this website; he has got probably the most REALISTIC style of moderation (next to zero short of gross profanity) that does not fear those exercising their first amendment in the "Free for All" section, where it truly is for the most part a FREE-FOR-ALL, much to the dismay of a small minority.

[jdbectec]

Don't Sugar-coat it ghrocketman................tell us how you really feel!

[STRMan]

Well, I wouldn't have gone as far as to call you a liar. Those are your words not mine although some could just consider that semantics. "Liar" seems a little harsh but I just don't believe you will never go to TRF again. Statements like that are too emotional especially when combined with "best decision I ever made." I don't believe that either. I'm sure there are some that know you who would disagree.

Guys like ghrocketman, who is a self-proclaimed antagonist, seem to have a goal of either; 1) see how quickly they can rile someone up, 2) get banned on TRF, or 3) come to another board and complain about something they caused in the first place. In any case, he is a very successful man. He was able to achieve that goal! Congratulations! A triple header! Ghrocketman was able to do all three very quickly (probably not a record. I think that might be held by Sheri) That's the kind of stuff that spoils the fun on these forums.

At any rate, one point I want to get across is that there is too much good information about the hobby on TRF as well as YORF, RP, EMRR and others to over look. If you enjoy rocketry, then I believe you'll go back. Even if it's to just look around.

And NO, I'm not a Moderator or one of the "chosen few" ...what ever that is.

I'm the other Jerry and I live in Louisiana.

If it walks like a duck...

You say you don't believe me... then you MUST be calling me a liar.

I can see how you might come to this conclusion with your analysis if I just stopped going there, but you are wrong. I stopped going over there a long time ago. The only time I ever even get to the log in page is if someone posted a link on another board like this one. I click on the link, and get to the sign in page on TRF. I then say to myself "Oh, nevermind" and hit the back button on my browser. I don't even think I have an active log in account anymore. I remember a while back there was some sort of technical melt down over there and people were being forced to sign in again. I just never bothered.

I'm one of those people that gives the benefit of doubt to virtually everyone. Once I've been screwed over (which never directly happened to me over there) or I see someone unjustifiable screwed over (which I saw over there frequently) I just move on. Why would I patronize a place like that?

For me, the internet is supposed to be fun. I have enough drama and conflict in the real world. Besides Facebook, I frequent 3 rocketry related forums, 4 musicians related forums, a secure forum provided for my business from my franchisor (extremely strict rules but evenly administered), and I peruse Craigslist every day. None of them aggravated me the way "the chosen" over on TRF did. There were a couple of other sites I used to go to that were aggravating me, and I don't go to them either. Life is too short to waste it on something that annoys you.

Seriously, go over there, and do a search on my name. I probably haven't posted anything there since 08 or earlier. I don't know if it lists active members, but I should not be on it, as I never got a new password when it was being required nearly 2 years ago. I won't be returning, unless I hear that there has been a turnover of ownership and mods. A zebra can't change it's stripes, so as long as they are there, nothing will significantly change.

If you like it over there, more power to ya! IMO, any good found on that site is undone by the arbitrarily administered mod policies. Also, I have never recalled anything going on over there that did not also go on over here.

That reminds me! I remember when one of the chosen few went on a rant over there, chastising people that posted the same type of threads on multiple websites, like TRF, RP, and YORF. He was livid that he would go from site to site and see the same thread titles. I mean this guy was getting really torqued about it. I thought it was extremely pointless drama.

Thank you for helping me remember another reason I left that forum.

[ghrocketman]

Paul,
I also remember that rant by that IDIOT when the same postings were on multiple sites.
I'm pretty sure I remember who the clown was too and he is about as anal as they come.
Sounds like we definitely agree on the opinion of TRF.
I'm NEVER PC and never pull any punches or hold anything back in some political game or to placate virginal ears.
I generally tell people an honest opinion and will never try to gold or chrome plate a turd to attempt to make it look better.
Like you said, "If it walks like a duck..."

[ghrocketman]

By the way, I actually LIKE the UK "soccer hooligans" !
They add some BADLY needed excitement to a GAWD-AWFUL BORING sport !!!!
The ONLY time I tune into a soccer (NO IT IS NOT FOOTBALL, no matter what the rest of the WRONG world says; there is NO football other than AMERICAN rules football, PERIOD) match is on a replay when I hear of a good soccer hooligan brawl in the stands.
It would be far more entertaining if they got rid of the players and just hosted matches with the HOOLIGANS alone !!!!

Yep, I'm what most Europeans would call an "Ugly" American, and I'm dammed proud of it !

[ghrocketman]

Saw the post about the trash can filled with cement.
If I would have been the can smasher I would have dealt with that can in a most insidious manner.
The owner would like it MUCH less than if they would have just accepted the GOOD KLEEN WHOLESOME FUN of having their can smashed.
Never, EVER try to out-prank an established Prankster.

[Fishtech]

Hey Rocketman!
You have told us all what ya think of everyone else now tell us how great a person you are.
We would like all the details and please don't leave anything out.
Thanks man.

[Jerry Irvine]

Hey ghrocketman, I don't mind that you are a rugged individualist, only that you are a serial name-caller, and posture-er. I see you have a right to free speech but wonder why you opt to use it that way. Makes me go hmmmmmm.

Jerry

[Bravo52]

Thank you for helping me remember another reason I left that forum.

You're welcome!

Introspection is good.

I think I understand what you are trying to say. At least you are not a potty-mouth about it.

However, I have to question why you say never but then willingly “click on the link” to follow a particular thread. I’m sure it’s in pursuit of the information and not the drama but the facts are the facts. Or should I say the clicks are the clicks.

There was a technical problem on TRF where they had to recreate accounts and believe it or not, the biggest complaint was the fact that they couldn’t bring the individual post-counts forward! So I’m guessing your old account wouldn’t register you if you did try to log in. Pretty much negates the old data… but really, none of that matters. If you say you don’t want to log in then don’t. You can’t correlate that to the “drama on TRF”. And here is why I think so:

First, you say you don’t go there, then you don’t know what the “drama” is first hand. You are getting your data from some disgruntled poster who probably wasn’t playing by the rules and got called out. Its one thing to NOT knowingly follow the rules, but it’s another to WILLINGLY not follow the rules….ohhh to see how far you can push the boundary, antagonize on purpose, see what you can get away with…AND THEN have the audacity to complain about it! I would even say incredulous but that is too complex. In my opinion, I personally don’t think that applies to you Paul, but I have a real problem with you supporting other’s statements with things like “TRF is a Joke” when you admittedly said you don’t go there and base it on an assumption.

Second, TRF has changed hands multiple times since you say you’ve been there last. The leadership has changed, the moderators have changed, lots of things are different. But the one thing that is not different is the stated intent to make TRF a family friendly environment to discuss rockets.

Third, you said you haven’t been “screwed over” but you’ve seen others who have. How? I mean you don’t go over there right? What are you basing that on? Let’s take for example a guy who spends 10 hours building a rocket that is clearly a work of art. Then some guy comes along and snaps a fin off because it was fun to see if it would still fly with a missing fine. Is that the guy you base your position on? What if it was a pumpkin instead of a rocket? See what I mean?

I’ve spent way too much time expressing my opinion so I appreciate those who indulged me. ;)

[Jerry Irvine]

Third, you said you haven’t been “screwed over” but you’ve seen others who have. How? I mean you don’t go over there right?
That part is right. I for example posted factual and commentary material that was not profane but I was banned for what we all might call "stirring the pot", but not so much as a standalone goal like ghrocketman here, but as a side effect of factually stating the antics of TRA and their sycophants, especially vendor-sycophants.

TRF moderation is arbitrary and not based on "family friendly", but rather "TRA friendly".

It is a TRF head fake and that is the root of ghrocketman's valid observation. It is hard to see among the free speech noise, however. But I am smarter than him so I can see it. :)

Jerry

[InFlight]

Those previous infractions must have slipped his mind...
How can you keep track of your infractions on TRF?

Does it say you have infractions in your profile? just asking cause I don't have any yet :chuckle:

.

[STRMan]

B-52, I USED to be a very active participant on TRF. I followed that huge upscale Interceptor with the booster build every single day. I became a BAR when I did a web search many years ago for an Estes Andromeda and came across the old and now defunct PDROCKETRY web site. From there I was referred by different members to YORF and TRF. I joined all the sites and started sharing with enthusiasm like many BAR's do.

I can not know what exactly is going on over there right now, because it has been some time since I have gone there. I stopped frequenting the site long before the password issue.

I remember numerous times someone would post something and the basically mugged online by the inner clique. I jumped in to point out that the attacked party did nothing wrong, while the "favorite son" would rant and rave against them. It happened one time too many for me, so I gave up on the site.

You say that the ownership and mods have changed over there many times. Isn't AKPilot still the owner? I could swear he has been since I left. If I'm wrong I apologize. Please advise me if my info is out of date.

Then, I hear a story like GHR puts forth and it seems like EXACTLY the same scenario that caused me to give up on the site in the first place.

Please, understand that I have NO PROBLEM at all with a G rated forum. A couple of the forums I frequent are like that and I get along just fine. What I have a problem with is there were too many times on TRF where I saw unequal applications of the rules.

I have been a mod on a couple of sites over the years. As a mod, I tried to apply the rules equally to all posters, and only was forced to reprimand a few times.

Over at TRF, it seemed as if a mod was considering a post from a little known poster, he would use the strictest interpretation of the sites policies. Then, when a "favorite son" pushed the limit, he would use the most liberal possible interpretation of the policies.

As I indicated, my info on the site is out of date, but I had a long time to come to the valid conclusions I did while I was actively participating over there. If you search STRMan, you should be able to see my post history, unless it was lost in the technical meltdown.

Now, look at the civilized discussion we are having about TRF on this site. I remember when I was a participant that if anyone criticized TRF on that site, the thread got locked down pretty fast. I just don't have that much of my limited free time to waste on that kind of shenanigans.

[Bravo52]

B-52, I USED to be a very active participant on TRF.

I remember that and that is what I based my impression of you on in my eariler statements.


You say that the ownership and mods have changed over there many times. Isn't AKPilot still the owner? I could swear he has been since I left. If I'm wrong I apologize. Please advise me if my info is out of date.

It has changed again. TROJ is now in charge.

Then, I hear a story like GHR puts forth and it seems like EXACTLY the same scenario that caused me to give up on the site in the first place.

That's the real issue here. JFLIS was discussing the intricate carvings/scrapings seen on new style pumpkins and GHS commented on how cool smashing pumpkins are..."YAHOO !!!!!That means Pumpkin SMASHIN season has begun too !!!! ' Then came the challenge; "That trap would work once; ONCE ! See my reply in YORF. It would probably be banned/deleted here by some overzealous moderator as giving useful prank ideas to teenagers. "...then came the mail-boxes. :rolleyes: You see where this is going. From my perspective, you got drug under the bus over here.

Please, understand that I have NO PROBLEM at all with a G rated forum. A couple of the forums I frequent are like that and I get along just fine. What I have a problem with is there were too many times on TRF where I saw unequal applications of the rules.

Fair enough. Your perception is important to this discussion.

If you search STRMan, you should be able to see my post history, unless it was lost in the technical meltdown.

I did, you are correct. You show one post.

Now, look at the civilized discussion we are having about TRF on this site. I remember when I was a participant that if anyone criticized TRF on that site, the thread got locked down pretty fast. I just don't have that much of my limited free time to waste on that kind of shenanigans.

Again, it all has to be in context. From my perspective, each situation is different and the Moderators have to react accordingly.

I can have a civilized discussion with you because you are capable of it. Some are not. That tends to be the problem. And that is not "a joke".

[cas2047]

I left TRF in Jan of 2009 because I didn't like the way people were treated there. I never got a warning, reprimanded or banned on the pre or post crash TRF, but I got real tired real quick of the way some people on TRF were harassed while others were given a pass.

Anyway I didn't even know TRF was sold again. Hopefully things are better under the new management.

[Feyd]

The thrashing of trash cans caused me to remember something our horse trainer told us.

He used to live in Arizona, and every now and then kids would come by and run over their trash cans. Well, one day they used their trash cans to hold the detritus from stall cleaning - manure, urine-soaked shavings, etc. Those trash cans each weighed a LOT. Maybe 150-200 lbs each.

Sure enough, after they were wheeled to the curb one of the local kids tried to run them over. Needless to say that kid was walking home that night :)

[Jerry Irvine]

It has changed again. TROJ is now in charge.You say that like it is a good thing. :(

[tbzep]

However, I have to question why you say never but then willingly “click on the link” to follow a particular thread. I’m sure it’s in pursuit of the information and not the drama but the facts are the facts. Or should I say the clicks are the clicks.

It's easy to click on a link without knowing where it's taking you. For example... Clicky for 1/4 scale bullpup. (http://www.richstevens.com/puppy_cleaner.htm)

Sure, you can look in the corner to see where the link may take you, but most people just click without bothering to check where it may lead.

[STRMan]

It's easy to click on a link without knowing where it's taking you. For example... Clicky for 1/4 scale bullpup. (http://www.richstevens.com/puppy_cleaner.htm)

Sure, you can look in the corner to see where the link may take you, but most people just click without bothering to check where it may lead.

That was hysterical! LOL :chuckle:

[jetlag]

I went on TRF the other day and had not visited in a long time. It just seemed a lot of threads headed in a negative direction. Folks deriding others or being overly harsh on building skills, etc. I'm not a high-power guy, and a lot of threads are geared to those guys. I kinda got the impression that most of the posters had little use for the low-power folks. I found a quality forum here and have little time to peruse all the other forums. As ya'll know, I can get worked up over certain issues, mostly political ones. However, I have eased up a bit.
I do still tire of the holier-than-thou attitude that one or two of the posters here have, but I value free speech more. This site and you folks have helped me a lot with questions I cannot answer. I am a much better modeler and rocketeer because of all of you, some more than others.
Gh's posts are as valuable as Tb's are, as Scott's are, as Doug's are, etc. We all have differing ways of expressing ourselves, but at least we all (mostly) exhibit a tad of decorum.
I just get the feeling I am entering a den of hungry wolves over at TRF. It's just my perception.
Just because a fellow likes white Elmers and I like epoxy is no reason to denegrate the other fellow. Gosh, if we were all the same, we'd never learn a thing.
Allen

[Rocketflyer]

I wouldn't say that, though the leading 0 in mine is starting to make me feel like an old man.

What I find truly impressive is someone whose NAR # is smaller than their TRA #. Yes, there is at least one of those that I am aware of.


Bill

You mean like this? :D

NAR 4619

TRA 5434 L2

[Scotty Dog]

I was informed on TRF I was "Plagued by Ignorance" cuz I asked a guestion before Googling it. I informed the postie(poster) thats what I thought the site was for.To gain knowlege by asking questions??????????????? (Ignorance is a state of being uninformed . The word "ignorant" is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult. ) Maybe I should boo-hoo about this,as I feel very hurt and insulted by this reply to a simple question I asked. Scotty Dog

[Doug Sams]

I was informed on TRF I was "Plagued by Ignorance" cuz I asked a guestion before Googling it. Some folks enjoy answering the same questions that have been answered before. Others seem bothered by it.

In my earliest days on web forums (circa 2000), I found myself emulating others, jumping on the bandwagon and piling on. It seemed like fun, like a new way of ranting and letting off stress. But I soon realized that it was bad form, bad manners, bad behavior. Not that I won't occasionally make an inflammatory post. But I've found, generally speaking, that if I don't want to answer some question - for whatever reason - it's really easy to just skip it and move on, letting someone else answer it, without making any comment one way or the other.

It seems to me, the old rule our moms taught us at age 5 still applies - if you can't say something nice, don't say anything else at all. If someone doesn't like answering a question, don't answer it. It's that simple. No cyber smackdown is necessary (usually ;)).

So, Scotty, I promise, I won't send you to Google. I may not answer :) but I won't get uppity!

Doug

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[STRMan]

It doesn't sound like much has changed with the change over in ownership. What a shame.

[jeffyjeep]

It seems to me, the old rule our moms taught us at age 5 still applies - if you can't say something nice, don't say anything else at all. If someone doesn't like answering a question, don't answer it. It's that simple. No cyber smackdown is necessary

.
Bravo!

[jetlag]

I was informed on TRF I was "Plagued by Ignorance" cuz I asked a guestion before Googling it. I informed the postie(poster) thats what I thought the site was for.To gain knowlege by asking questions??????????????? (Ignorance is a state of being uninformed . The word "ignorant" is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult. ) Maybe I should boo-hoo about this,as I feel very hurt and insulted by this reply to a simple question I asked. Scotty Dog

Some folks think it makes them 'bigger' to act that way. If they responded that way in real life to your face and in person, they might get the s*** knocked out of 'em. So, they do it on a forum. Really big of 'em, I think! Too many egos over there, I guess.

Allen

[STRMan]

I'm glad this thread began and ran it's course. It makes me appreciate the atmosphere over here on YORF even more. Even when discussions got heated during the Semroc/Estes thread, we as a group kept things civilized and were able to move on without any hard feelings. Well, at least I was, but I haven't seen any long term grudges borne out of valid disagreement. Maybe that is the key - to be able to disagree yet still get back to an even keel in short order.

I've begun peeking in at RP and N3 again since this thread began. So far, they seem like good boards in their own ways. I never stopped going to those sites out of protest, it is just that I guess I find my rocketry needs are being met over here, so I am not as anxious to look elsewhere.

If any of the people around here find that things change drastically for the better over at TRF, please start a thread and let us all know about it. I'd love another resource to gather information about our hobby, but only if the old practices change over there.

[Mikus]

I was informed on TRF I was "Plagued by Ignorance" cuz I asked a guestion before Googling it. I informed the postie(poster) thats what I thought the site was for.To gain knowlege by asking questions??????????????? (Ignorance is a state of being uninformed . The word "ignorant" is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult. ) Maybe I should boo-hoo about this,as I feel very hurt and insulted by this reply to a simple question I asked. Scotty Dog

Heh the same guy is on YORF too. How do I know? Because I have him blocked on both sites. :D I usually don't suffer fools gladly, sorry. ;)

Not comparing or defending or anything but if YORF is so much better, why does it have about a 10th of the traffic? Honest question. :confused:

[cas2047]

Not comparing or defending or anything but if YORF is so much better, why does it have about a 10th of the traffic? Honest question. :confused:

YORF is different, as is RP, as is TRF, as is N3. Its where you feel most comfortable posting thats really important.

There are a lot of great people who post over on TRF and also post here. There are also some great people on TRF who don't post here. Same goes for RP and N3.

Personally what has always bothered me about TRF is the behavior of some (not all) of the moderators. If that's changed with the new owner then that's a good thing. It won't however change the fact that YORF, RP and N3 are great forums. Different strokes for different folks.

[JumpJet]

I may visit these sites but just don't recognize the abbreviations.


Can someone please provide the URL's for TRF, N3 & RP


John Boren

[cas2047]

I may visit these sites but just don't recognize the abbreviations.


Can someone please provide the URL's for TRF, N3 & RP


John Boren
N3 = Newtons 3rd Rocketry Forum http://forums.newtons3rdrocketry.com/
RP= Rocketry Planet http://www.rocketryplanet.com/
TRF = The Rocketry Forum http://www.rocketryforum.com/

[Scotty Dog]

Some folks enjoy answering the same questions that have been answered before. Others seem bothered by it.


So, Scotty, I promise, I won't send you to Google. I may not answer :) but I won't get uppity!

Doug

. I can see people getting sick of the same questions that have been gone over and answered over and over and over again. But this was a THREAD that "I" started and not even the greatest minds have the answers. The question I asked was basicly "What do you think will happen in 2012. Will the world end,humans end,ect. Do you have the answers??? Not even "The Wizard of OZ"" has the answer. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"

[Jerry Irvine]

N3 = Newtons 3rd Rocketry Forum http://forums.newtons3rdrocketry.com/
RP= Rocketry Planet http://www.rocketryplanet.com/
TRF = The Rocketry Forum http://www.rocketryforum.com/
N3 is the no holds barred site.

Rocketry Planet is probably the best overall information resource including live news on forums. Darrell's old site rocketryonline.com has a wealth of previous info as well.

TRF really is the "weenie channel". It is run by TRA Kool-Aid drinkers.

There is also an official TRA list but from what I hear the censorship is worse on the list than their attempts to censor outside lists according to their internal rules. Strange.

Yorf has the best collection of industry luminaries who visit and mostly don't talk much, but when they do, pins and needles are the proper equipment.

There is an official NAR list as well.

Jerry

[Randy]

>Rocketry Planet is probably the best overall information resource including live news
>on forums. Darrell's old site rocketryonline.com has a wealth of previous info as well.

Absolutely on both counts.

>There is also an official TRA list
>There is an official NAR list as well.

I'm not sure what you mean. :confused:

Randy
www.vernarockets.com

[Shreadvector]

>Rocketry Planet is probably the best overall information resource including live news
>on forums. Darrell's old site rocketryonline.com has a wealth of previous info as well.

Absolutely on both counts.

>There is also an official TRA list
>There is an official NAR list as well.

I'm not sure what you mean. :confused:

Randy
www.vernarockets.com (http://www.vernarockets.com)

The NAR has a YahooGroup for "Section Leaders" to discuss stuff that club (section) officers feel like discussing amonst themselves and sharing info. NAR national officers also post messages there. Such thngs as "Section renewals will be mailed out on xx/yy" etc. Onc in a while a very lively discussion occurs regarding proposed changes to some policy or contest rules.

[JumpJet]

Thanks for the links. N3 was new to me. I posted on Rocketry Planet before but didn't get much feed back so I haven't posted since.


John Boren

[Randy]

The NAR has a YahooGroup for "Section Leaders" to discuss stuff that club (section) officers feel like discussing amonst themselves and sharing info. NAR national officers also post messages there. Such thngs as "Section renewals will be mailed out on xx/yy" etc. Onc in a while a very lively discussion occurs regarding proposed changes to some policy or contest rules.


Oh, ok, I've been on that list for a a while. Most of the time it's pretty slow.

Thanks for the clarificarion.

Randy
www.vernarockets.com

[Jerry Irvine]

Thanks for the links. N3 was new to me. I posted on Rocketry Planet before but didn't get much feed back so I haven't posted since.
John Boren
All these sites have a small clique (20-30) of dedicated posters and a wider range of browsing folks and occasional posters. I have a feeling even the wider group is only a couple of hundred folks at any time. I am willing to almost entirely disregard "visits" as accidental search outcomes with a moment of curiosity.

Let's just say a good POP display has far broader appeal . . .

Jerry

[Bill]

As I indicated, my info on the site is out of date, but I had a long time to come to the valid conclusions I did while I was actively participating over there. If you search STRMan, you should be able to see my post history, unless it was lost in the technical meltdown.


The technical meltdown involved the temporary loss of the message database and the inability to get it back online with the board software they are now using. So history has been preserved in a read-only archive: http://www.rocketryforumarchive.com/

My past is similar to STRMan's. I was becoming unhappy with the place and decided to leave for good in 2008. My ID was the same there as here (and on RP as well.)


Bill

[Bill]

You mean like this? :D

NAR 4619

TRA 5434 L2


<Austin Powers voice on>

Yeah, baby, that's what I'm talking about!

<Austin Powers voice off>

It is getting easier for long-time NAR members to do, but I doubt anyone will ever have a TRA # as big as my NAR #.


Bill

[Jerry Irvine]

TRF really is the "weenie channel". It is run by TRA Kool-Aid drinkers.
ZDNet takes a look at how crowd-moderation can capture and reflect the prejudice of individuals. 'As more web content is crowd sourced and crowd moderated, are we seeing only the wisdom of crowds? No, we're also seeing their prejudice. The Internet reflects both the good and ugly in human nature. ... Any system relying on people implicitly encodes prejudices as well. In a world where one politician with a call girl is forced to resign and another is handily reelected, there is no hope for moral or intellectual consistency in crowd-sourced or moderated content.'

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/mob-sourcing-the-prejudice-of-crowds/1165

Jerry

[Bill]

Not comparing or defending or anything but if YORF is so much better, why does it have about a 10th of the traffic? Honest question. :confused:


Because we do not have a newsbot, or word games, or secret santa. And seldom do we get many non-rocketry threads.

Quantity is no indication of quality.


Bill

[jharding58]

Because we do not have a newsbot, or word games, or secret santa. And seldom do we get many non-rocketry threads.

Quantity is no indication of quality.


Bill

And by original intent the forum is an offshoot of the shoppe of old rockets. In that categorisation comes the exclusivity. If you have no interest in the original Leper (LPR) rockets, then there is no incentive to join or participate.

[Bill]

There is also an official TRA list but from what I hear the censorship is worse on the list than their attempts to censor outside lists according to their internal rules. Strange.



Several comments about the TRA list.

It was originally intended to be a place for members to discuss matters internal to the corporation. For that reason, much effort was expended to make sure nonmembers do not get in. Meaning that members sometimes had a difficult time getting on as well.

The list gets the credit for putting an end to the High Power Rocketry Magazine fiasco. The board finally realized how big a problem it has become from member feedback that they took corrective action. That is one example in which direct feedback to the board proved to be beneficial.

It is an e-mail list server, for good and bad. People can pretty much say what they like as long as it does not become repetitive. Censorship cannot be applied after the fact. A member can get in a few licks before Bubba von Braun is able to step in to moderate or eject him.

Because it is a push mechanism, it used to be a good way for timely information to be passed on to the membership. But many wanted to use it as a general forum, and the quantity of the messages has become unmanageable for many.

I currently use it in digest mode. The daily capsules are downloaded and archived unread should I need to look in there in the future; sometimes the sheer size makes me wonder what is going on and I take a look. In the event someone on the board of directors announced something important there, I would not know unless there was lots of discussion to follow. Most of the participants do not know about trimming quoted messages or are simply too lazy to bother, so digest mode is absolutely painful to use.

The grass is definitely not greener on the other side of that fence.


Bill

[Bill]

The NAR has a YahooGroup for "Section Leaders" to discuss stuff that club (section) officers feel like discussing amonst themselves and sharing info. NAR national officers also post messages there. Such thngs as "Section renewals will be mailed out on xx/yy" etc. Onc in a while a very lively discussion occurs regarding proposed changes to some policy or contest rules.


A few comments about the NAR Sections list.

It was originally intended only for section presidents and NAR (senior) advisors. When they opened membership to all section officers, I joined.

There is no mechanism for removing people who no longer qualify. During the legal fight, it has morphed into more of a "NAR supporter" list. After I retired as an officer, I kept my subscription as I was still maintaining the club's website and I want to receive timely information from national. Instead of unsubscribing after I stopped working on the web site, I did not unsubscribe, but said I would cease posting. Now, I am an officer again. At no time was I ever asked to unsubscribe.

Fred is right; this list is very quiet most of the time.

Move along folks, t'aint nothing to see here.


Bill

[Jerry Irvine]

The range of rocketry subjects discussed on RP is quite wide ranging and contributed to by an above average number of folks.

YORF is a different animal. It tends to focus on kit builds, OOP stuff, collector stuff and current events as relates to rules and such. It is quite a bit more civil as well.

I especially like the interviews with luminaries and the fact actual connected industry folks and current rocket company principals post to it with factual information. In that sense it is a portion of the internet which is shockingly not crazy and out of control.

Just as the TRA list has a lot of me-too posts and reposts of entire digests, rmr had an interminable number and frequency of trolls and bullies who managed to take an uncensored, public, free, resource and reduce it to a signal to noise ratio well below usability and down into the undetectable range.

The smallest amount of civility and consideration goes a long way to making any list "manageable" and that has nothing to with whether or not profanity is used or the criticism is harsh. It has more to do with folks who default to shouting, harassing, spamming, and generally making their presence so pervasive, nobody can get a word in edgewise, unless they are willing to sift through a big-ass pile of bile to get to it.

Jerry

[Randy]

>Quantity is no indication of quality.

A perfect example is over on TRF listed as the "word association thread" that now stands at 1,752 responses and growing. Makes me wonder how many of them were complaining here about non rocketry related posts a few weeks back.

;)

Randy
www.vernarockets.com

[Jerry Irvine]

Because it is a push mechanism, it used to be a good way for timely information to be passed on to the membership. But many wanted to use it as a general forum, and the quantity of the messages has become unmanageable for many.
If TRA officially allowed public member chat, this problem would not exist. Stop the secrecy promises, the tethering of achievements to continued membership, the silly offset distances, the enforcing of rules as if they ARE regulations or laws, when the public authority does not.

Never forget it is always and everywhere the vendor that sets the pace , not the consuming or organizing club. They are mere beneficiaries of whatever products companies have the balls to put out.

Jerry

[jetlag]

posted by Fred: "They are mere beneficiaries of whatever products companies have the balls to put out."

Is that the same thing as testicular fortitude? :)

[jeff_in_AZ]

Well, look on the bright side - unlike
someone else we know, at least GHRocketman
didn't get banned for posting a picture of
himself wearing a thong.

[gpoehlein]

Well, look on the bright side - unlike
someone else we know, at least GHRocketman
didn't get banned for posting a picture of
himself wearing a thong.

MUST... SCRUB... EYES... WITH... BRILLO... PAD!!!!!!!

[Bill]

YORF is a different animal. It tends to focus on kit builds, OOP stuff, collector stuff and current events as relates to rules and such. It is quite a bit more civil as well.



You may be on to something there - fewer rules means fewer trying to test those rules.


Bill

[Bill]

If TRA officially allowed public member chat, this problem would not exist.


Some discussions need to be held internally so that those in charge do not become defensive in response to an onslaught of criticism from outsiders.


Never forget it is always and everywhere the vendor that sets the pace , not the consuming or organizing club. They are mere beneficiaries of whatever products companies have the balls to put out.


I agree with that, even on a micro scale. Our local launches definitely suffer from the lack of an on-site motor vendor.


Bill

[STRMan]

Someone at TRF reached out to me, and I've decided to reactivate my old account and peek around there again. If I don't like the way things are under the new administration, nothing is forcing me to log back on. So, you may see me lurking around there in the near future.

I really did like that mega Interceptor build. I'm going to see if I can find it in the archives.

[Bill]

Someone at TRF reached out to me, and I've decided to reactivate my old account and peek around there again. If I don't like the way things are under the new administration, nothing is forcing me to log back on. So, you may see me lurking around there in the near future.

I really did like that mega Interceptor build. I'm going to see if I can find it in the archives.


Let us know how it turns out.


Bill

[tbzep]

Heh the same guy is on YORF too. How do I know? Because I have him blocked on both sites. :D I usually don't suffer fools gladly, sorry. ;)

Not comparing or defending or anything but if YORF is so much better, why does it have about a 10th of the traffic? Honest question. :confused:

Because YORF is about old rockets and all that revolves around the "golden era" of rocketry. It's more specialized, therefore it's obviously going to have a smaller percentage of members.

A huge percentage of RP and N3 traffic is HPR and EX. A huge percentage of TRF is HPR and whatever comes up in the Watering Hole forum...where you can start a thread about anything that has nothing to do with rockets unless it annoys one of the special few, then they tell you the watering hole is for rocket stuff that doesn't fit other forums. :rolleyes:

BTW, YORF has a huge number of guests that view the forum every day. There's a boatload more traffic than what shows up in new posts, members visited, or total posts. I'm not saying the others don't, but I'd wager our guest to member ratio is probably higher than the TRF and RP. N3 would have the highest if all the forums were viewable by guests. :D

[ghrocketman]

Uhhh....no thongs here EVER !
I'm a firm believer that any MALE wearing a thong EVER for ANY reason should have to serve a MANDATORY PRISON SENTENCE for optical pollution alone !

[gpoehlein]

Uhhh....no thongs here EVER !
I'm a firm believer that any MALE wearing a thong EVER for ANY reason should have to serve a MANDATORY PRISON SENTENCE for optical pollution alone !

Either that or anyone over 120 pounds wearing spandex! :p

[cas2047]

Either that or anyone over 120 pounds wearing spandex! :p


LOL! Yep!

Apologies to all of you bike enthusiasts, but men just shouldn't wear spandex!

I'm feeling a little sick to my stomach...

[ghrocketman]

No ro-beests/whales/snow-cows in two-piece bikinis either, EVER !
If the person does not fit within the accepted body structure/poundage to height requirements of a 1960's/70's STEWARDESS, they don't belong in thongs or bikinis EITHER, EVER.

[Jerry Irvine]

This thread is fully degraded.

[Jerry Irvine]

You may be on to something there - fewer rules means fewer trying to test those rules.
Exemptions not regulations.

Guidelines, not laws.

The safety code, a fully voluntary compliance regime proffered by vendors, not officials, resulted in the safest hobby, or activity generally, on the planet.

Just Jerry

[jeffyjeep]

Well, look on the bright side - unlike
someone else we know, at least GHRocketman
didn't get banned for posting a picture of
himself wearing a thong.
PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR A PHOTO OF JEFFYJEEP WEARING A THONG!

WAIT FOR IT.....


WAIT FOR IT.....


WAIT FOR IT.....


WAIT FOR IT.....




TA DA!!!!! :eek:

[jamjammer53150]

No ro-beests/whales/snow-cows in two-piece bikinis either, EVER !
If the person does not fit within the accepted body structure/poundage to height requirements of a 1960's/70's STEWARDESS, they don't belong in thongs or bikinis EITHER, EVER.



Come On GH
Here you go spouting off on how there are too many rules and regulations , UNTIL IT bothers you , then someone should go to prison!!!!
Get back with that anarchist attitude . Personal freedom man !
If somthing bothers your eyes , dont look



( this is all in good fun I hope ya know)

[cas2047]

PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR A PHOTO OF JEFFYJEEP WEARING A THONG!

WAIT FOR IT.....


WAIT FOR IT.....


WAIT FOR IT.....


WAIT FOR IT.....




TA DA!!!!! :eek:


LOL! As Doctor Smith from Lost In Space once said "oh the pain"... ;) :chuckle:

[Mikus]

And by original intent the forum is an offshoot of the shoppe of old rockets. In that categorisation comes the exclusivity. If you have no interest in the original Leper (LPR) rockets, then there is no incentive to join or participate.

Ok I can understand the word games and newsbot. And while I haven't participated, I thought the Secret Santa event was a cool little bit of community building.

But I don't have the slightest clue about the Leper and therefore have no interest. I guess I just have no incentive to participate here. :(

[Mikus]

Because YORF is about old rockets and all that revolves around the "golden era" of rocketry. It's more specialized, therefore it's obviously going to have a smaller percentage of members.

Good point, I hadn't considered that. :o

[o1d_dude]

What's up with the knee brace, Jeffy?

That's an industrial strength model.

[jeffyjeep]

What's up with the knee brace, Jeffy?

That's an industrial strength model.
Last month I rushed into a burning building to save some orphans and some cute beagle puppies and I fell through the floor.

Not really.

Last month I slipped in the shower and fell and broke the top of my right tibia.

Really.

As the great thespian Bette Davis once said, "getting old isn't for sissies". :(

[tbzep]

Last month I rushed into a burning building to save some orphans and some cute beagle puppies and I fell through the floor.

Sigs30 and I haven't even saved any orphans and beagle puppies lately....well, I haven't anyway. :p My most talked about rescue was a 4 ft long iguana. Evidently I looked pretty ridiculous toting it out of the house. No, I did not give it mouth to mouth. :eek:


.

[Shreadvector]

Sigs30 and I haven't even saved any orphans and beagle puppies lately....well, I haven't anyway. :p My most talked about rescue was a 4 ft long iguana. Evidently I looked pretty ridiculous toting it out of the house. No, I did not give it mouth to mouth. :eek:


.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKsaHk7d6bU

[Brain]

Uhhh....no thongs here EVER !
I'm a firm believer that any MALE wearing a thong EVER for ANY reason should have to serve a MANDATORY PRISON SENTENCE for optical pollution alone !
Especially the OLD guys... :eek:

[jeffyjeep]

I'm not the author of this mantra, but it rings true:

"Brothers don't let brothers wear Speedos (or thongs)."

[cas2047]

I'm not the author of this mantra, but it rings true:

"Brothers don't let brothers wear Speedos (or thongs)."

Or Spandex! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[o1d_dude]

Especially the OLD guys... :eek:
Hey! I'm still in the room.

Did I mention that my first Social Security check arrived two weeks ago?

[ghrocketman]

jamjammer-
Your comment was hilarious ! :)

Most take my non-rocket postings FAR too seriously anyway....most are meant to have a hint of reality and a LOT of humor.

[jamjammer53150]

GH , in reading many of your posts , any moron could figure out you have a great sense of humor , you like to be heard , and are doing so in the spirit of good clean american fun.

I cant belive the other placewould ban you for what was an obivious "Just having fun" comment.

I think im going to go there and start posting a build thread on a multi stage LOX/ETOH rocket complete with plans for the still to make the juice .

Go into deatil on using used MAPP gas tanks and opening them with an acetiline tourch , Recycling Medical OX tanks chilling the juice with a direct vent R12 cooling system .

Then post some pix of me pressurizing it with a tire pump while smoking , and iniating it with visco and a zippo .

( my guess is everyone reading this knows I am not serious )

[ghrocketman]

The problem with that other site is the fact that many of the powers that be either have:

1) No sense of humor at all and are a mamby-pamby WEENIE

2) Have an intelligence level BELOW that of an average MORON, thus do not understand the humor.

3) Are so "PC" if you saw them in person walking around you would swear they had a potato stuck in their posterior, some probably deliberately ! :p

[luke strawwalker]

Such American yobs are our equivalent of UK "soccer hooligans," and are equally barbaric.

You said "YOBS" in a post... I'm assuming this is quite similar to "KNOBS" which is "VERBOTEN"! :eek:

Awaiting the moderator's call and the inevitable infraction... :chuckle: :rolleyes:

Later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Well, I wouldn't have gone as far as to call you a liar. Those are your words not mine although some could just consider that semantics. "Liar" seems a little harsh but I just don't believe you will never go to TRF again. Statements like that are too emotional especially when combined with "best decision I ever made." I don't believe that either. I'm sure there are some that know you who would disagree.

Guys like ghrocketman, who is a self-proclaimed antagonist, seem to have a goal of either; 1) see how quickly they can rile someone up, 2) get banned on TRF, or 3) come to another board and complain about something they caused in the first place. In any case, he is a very successful man. He was able to achieve that goal! Congratulations! A triple header! Ghrocketman was able to do all three very quickly (probably not a record. I think that might be held by Sheri) That's the kind of stuff that spoils the fun on these forums.

At any rate, one point I want to get across is that there is too much good information about the hobby on TRF as well as YORF, RP, EMRR and others to over look. If you enjoy rocketry, then I believe you'll go back. Even if it's to just look around.

And NO, I'm not a Moderator or one of the "chosen few" ...what ever that is.

I'm the other Jerry and I live in Louisiana.

Yeah, I agree with '52.... too much good info to just flush it, despite the presence of a few 'turds'... that's true of life in general.

It is what it is and I know the inning and the score... sure there are "pets" that can say and do ANYTHING over there and not get wrist-slapped, but once you realize that and recognize that the 12 year olds run the self-proclaimed "12 year old's birthday party" over there, mature adults can figure out how to "work around it" and glean the wheat from the chaff...

I WILL SAY that things are *somewhat* better since troj took over the place... still not firing on all cylinders, but at least not a "brat palace" anymore... or not as much... LOL:)

Later, (never banned but b!tch slapped by a mod there for DARING question the MMX guard dog) OL JR :)

[jamjammer53150]

We should makean MMX form here

[luke strawwalker]

Some folks enjoy answering the same questions that have been answered before. Others seem bothered by it.

In my earliest days on web forums (circa 2000), I found myself emulating others, jumping on the bandwagon and piling on. It seemed like fun, like a new way of ranting and letting off stress. But I soon realized that it was bad form, bad manners, bad behavior. Not that I won't occasionally make an inflammatory post. But I've found, generally speaking, that if I don't want to answer some question - for whatever reason - it's really easy to just skip it and move on, letting someone else answer it, without making any comment one way or the other.

It seems to me, the old rule our moms taught us at age 5 still applies - if you can't say something nice, don't say anything else at all. If someone doesn't like answering a question, don't answer it. It's that simple. No cyber smackdown is necessary (usually ;)).

So, Scotty, I promise, I won't send you to Google. I may not answer :) but I won't get uppity!

Doug

.
Agree with this 110%.... TOTALLY spot on!

Personally I don't consider it "dogpiling" to voice an opinion that agrees with someone else, whether it be pro or con.

I DO have a big problem with certain someone's that think they somehow have the right to tell others what is a "VALID" post and what is not, or belittling someone for not "googling" it or searching for the relevant answer in the archives or old posts before posting a question. I often answer repetitive questions simply to help others with the experience I have... that's the WHOLE PURPOSE of a forum-- to share experience for the benefit of others, myself included... I've picked up SEVERAL VERY GOOD techniques from other folks on these forums, and I GREATLY appreciate it! I certainly don't mind answering "repetitive" posts when they periodically 're-arise' from noobs or BAR's just finding the forums... course that said, occasionally you'll get the same question posted three times within a week or so and THAT gets rather repetitive and difficult to type, so I usually just go find the relative thread and link to it...

What's so hard about that?? In the time it takes to post a rant about someone not googling it or searching the forum, you could do it yourself and then gently remind the OP that you found it using the search function or googling it... be CONSTRUCTIVE instead of destructive...

They tore poor scrapdaddy up so bad over there he quit too... kids are the future and if you run them off, what's left?? (Bunch of self-righteous old prigs IMHO). Sure the kid was a little "over-enthusiastic" and would post some info that wasn't always the best-informed, was out of date, ill-advised, etc. but at least he was TRYING... and was enthusiastic and trying to help... (that counts for a lot in my book).

But people are people, and some people SUCK.... and unfortunately sometimes they manage to become pets or big cheeses in certain places where they congregate... That's life...

Later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Because we do not have a newsbot, or word games, or secret santa. And seldom do we get many non-rocketry threads.

Quantity is no indication of quality.


Bill

QUITE true... aside from occasional political rants by certain individuals... LOL:)

It was VERY telling when after the TRF meltdown when "certain individuals" started crying and whining because their post counts started over... literally I could care less... just because someone posts a million times doesn't mean they have ANYTHING worthwhile or informative to say, (nor does it preclude the possibility I might add). so there were NUMEROUS IDIOTIC 'word association" and other rubbish threads so certain people who derive their entire self-value from the number of posts under their name could rebuild their self-esteem and "credibility"... :rolleyes:

Oh well... takes all kinds... LOL:) OL JR :)

[o1d_dude]

Yob is an English slang word. Nothing more than the word boy spelled backwards to indicate that being the nature of one so named...generally a lout or thug.

Also used is the word yobbo. A variation on a theme.

[tbzep]

We should makean MMX form here

Noooo! We don't need to throw steak to the "MMX Guard Dog" or he will never go back home. :rolleyes:

MMX will fit into the "Projects" forum when you build them and "Mission Control" when you fly them without having to add a dedicated forum that someone will try to dominate.

[tbzep]

GH , in reading many of your posts , any moron could figure out you have a great sense of humor , you like to be heard , and are doing so in the spirit of good clean american fun.

I cant belive the other placewould ban you for what was an obivious "Just having fun" comment.

I think im going to go there and start posting a build thread on a multi stage LOX/ETOH rocket complete with plans for the still to make the juice .

Go into deatil on using used MAPP gas tanks and opening them with an acetiline tourch , Recycling Medical OX tanks chilling the juice with a direct vent R12 cooling system .

Then post some pix of me pressurizing it with a tire pump while smoking , and iniating it with visco and a zippo .

( my guess is everyone reading this knows I am not serious )

Sorry, but you can't go over there and post that unless you mention the use of Vice-Grips and duct tape (or duck tape if you roll that way). :D

[K.M.Knox]

So when I have heard my buddy say "Check out those yobbos!!!", he was actually referring to a couple of thug boys running around? Instead of what really caught my attention :eek:

[Shreadvector]

So when I have heard my buddy say "Check out those yobbos!!!", he was actually referring to a couple of thug boys running around? Instead of what really caught my attention :eek:

Maybe he did not say "yobbos". He might have said "Barbeaus".

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2126200426_f771a36cdb.jpg

[Shreadvector]

Eat your heart out, Teri Garr.

[STRMan]

What movie is that pic from. Is that Beverly DeAngelis with her there. She's one of my faves too!

[Shreadvector]

What movie is that pic from. Is that Beverly DeAngelis with her there. She's one of my faves too!

I think it is from one of the Cannonball Run movies. Yup:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2126200426_f771a36cdb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/non_aviation/read.main/2075574/&h=336&w=500&sz=73&tbnid=V8tdBA-Bk6eX6M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dadrienne%2Bbarbeau&zoom=1&q=adrienne+barbeau&hl=en&usg=__a80EOv-YkyotQjvuIfrhOHpRDTc=&sa=X&ei=KGncTOexBoGcsQPd6InlAw&ved=0CBYQ9QEwCA

Tara Buckman.

[cas2047]

So when I have heard my buddy say "Check out those yobbos!!!", he was actually referring to a couple of thug boys running around? Instead of what really caught my attention :eek:

I think he might have been referring to Yabbos. ;)

[Randy]

Maybe he did not say "yobbos". He might have said "Barbeaus".

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2126200426_f771a36cdb.jpg

"You don't get many of those to a pound" ;) Benny Hill

Randy
www.vernarockets.com

[gpoehlein]

Maybe he did not say "yobbos". He might have said "Barbeaus".

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2126200426_f771a36cdb.jpg

"I'd buy THAT for a dollar!" (Bixby Snyder from Robocop)

[jeffyjeep]

Mmmmmmmmmm. Yobbos! :)

[o1d_dude]

Hey! That's my homegirl and nobody should say anything bad about her.

Kinda hard to believe she's a couple of years older than me, innit?

[jeffyjeep]

Hey! That's my homegirl and nobody should say anything bad about her.

Kinda hard to believe she's a couple of years older than me, innit?
She's 97? :eek: :D

[luke strawwalker]

The range of rocketry subjects discussed on RP is quite wide ranging and contributed to by an above average number of folks.

YORF is a different animal. It tends to focus on kit builds, OOP stuff, collector stuff and current events as relates to rules and such. It is quite a bit more civil as well.

I especially like the interviews with luminaries and the fact actual connected industry folks and current rocket company principals post to it with factual information. In that sense it is a portion of the internet which is shockingly not crazy and out of control.

Just as the TRA list has a lot of me-too posts and reposts of entire digests, rmr had an interminable number and frequency of trolls and bullies who managed to take an uncensored, public, free, resource and reduce it to a signal to noise ratio well below usability and down into the undetectable range.

The smallest amount of civility and consideration goes a long way to making any list "manageable" and that has nothing to with whether or not profanity is used or the criticism is harsh. It has more to do with folks who default to shouting, harassing, spamming, and generally making their presence so pervasive, nobody can get a word in edgewise, unless they are willing to sift through a big-ass pile of bile to get to it.

Jerry


Quite right. I used to read RMR until it got to be 99% spam/crap and about 1% rocket related content of varying quality. Sad.

TRF is the self-described "12 year old's birthday party". I don't have anything against that, per se, but I DO dislike the fact that the rules ARE arbitrarily enforced, with the mods frequently "looking the other way" when "certain people" (pets) make improper comments or use improper language, EVEN WHEN A MODERATOR IS ALERTED, and then coming down very hard on others even if there remarks or language is only "questionable" rather than an outright violation of policy, ESPECIALLY if the remarks somehow "offend" one of the "pets" or call them on the carpet for THEIR comments... and of course NO questioning of the moderators or their actions, or lack of impartiality or favoritism is allowed WHATSOEVER. This double standard sucks like a black hole and is the MAIN point of contention most people have with TRF and the reason they have a poor reputation among many people. I find TRF to be a pretty varied place-- it's not "only" a HPR place but a lot of MPR and LPR too, MMX and scale, and most other areas of interest in the hobby are pretty well represented. With a more FAIR AND EVENHANDED approach to moderation, and enforcing the rules EQUALLY for everyone regardless of their status as "preferred pet" or otherwise, I think they could be a VERY good forum. As it stands I can only give them a C- because of this sort of thing.

YORF, on the other hand, seems to be mostly LPR, and older LPR stuff at that, clones, re-release, and new LPR kits and stuff like that. That's fine because this is my main area of interest-- I have NOTHING but a passing observer's interest in HPR-- can't afford to participate and don't have ANY desire to have to obtain licenses/certs to participate in a HOBBY, but that's just me. I find the people on YORF to be top-notch, and I appreciate the fact that things can be discussed like civilized ADULTS without it degenerating into name calling, insults, and profanity, and that folks are MATURE enough to respectfully disagree, which, by the way, IS NOT A CRIME... Everyone seems mature enough to understand that disagreement is not a personal attack or reason to be offended, but is a genuine difference of opinion based on personal experience, for the most part. This fact alone is BREATHTAKINGLY REFRESHING in this age of PC "group-think" and other such associated forms of total BS. I give YORF an A+ and just wish it was a little more busy-- but without the "post-count primadonnas" that plague other sites with inane drivel in their rediculous pursuit of a billion posts under their name....

RP is MUCH more HPR oriented IMHO... there are LPR/MPR forums there, but the discussion seems mostly focused on HPR issues/skills/builds, and at most maybe 20% of the traffic has any bearing on LPR/MPR. I enjoy reading RP, but there are some "strong personalities" in HPR circles that tend to make for some irritating reading at times, and there seems to be some thin skins and stuff can easily degrade into a flame war or total kerfluffle that ends up with closed threads, deleted back, or otherwise results in temper-tantrums when some folks get their toes stepped on a little too hard. The drama quotient can get rather high and that's when it's time to tune out for awhile. For LPR/MPR guys, there isn't as much there of interest for them. I give them a B+ for relevant content (even if the lion's share of it is HPR-related) but until the drama gets dialed down and the intermittent temper-tantrums stop, I can't give them higher than that.

N3 is the "no holds barred" celebrity deathmatch kinda place. It's sink or swim. If you're an idiot, you won't last long. If you say stupid stuff or are a general PITA, you're going to be handed your @$$ for a hat verbally by someone in short order, as well you should. It's the "corner beer joint" of the rocketry world-- unmoderated discussions of mature topics are allowed, with adult language and all responses permitted, so if you have a thin skin or you're so full of BS that your eyes are brown, or you're nuttier than a squirrel turd you're going to get called on the carpet in short order! If however, you can engage in a discussion with occasional profanities without your ears turning red or a vein popping in your forehead, and realize not everyone in the universe is going to agree with you or stroke your ego, then N3 has some lively discussions. The content is almost exclusively HPR, but there is some good information there that does cross over into the LPR/MPR world in the way of techniques and such. It's not got a lot of traffic, but ANY topic one wants to discuss with any relation to rocketry is welcome, though some bellyaching occurs over the preponderance of folks kicked off TRF coming in to bemoan their fate at the hands of the "goderators" on TRF... yet still most engage in some entertaining repaste of the priggish attitudes prevalent on TRF, since many of the N3 patrons have also suffered a similar fate on TRF at some point in their lives. I give them a B- on content, but an A+ on freedom of speech and calling a spade a spade regardless of PC crap, which I REALLY respect!

Each of the different forums have different things to offer, and a different clientele. I enjoy reading all of them, some more than others, and if you realize they are what they are and what you can expect at each of them, whether you're at the 12 year old's birthday party with the prig parents, the older LPR stuff, the newer HPR stuff, or the local bar, you'll enjoy things a lot more.

Good luck! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Yob is an English slang word. Nothing more than the word boy spelled backwards to indicate that being the nature of one so named...generally a lout or thug.

Also used is the word yobbo. A variation on a theme.

Interesting... Didn't know that... learn something new every day...

Hmmm... lout spelled backwards is "tuol", which is the spelling for "TOOL" in Lower Slobobian, my native tongue...

Some forums have more knobs and tools than others... LOL:) :chuckle: :D

Later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Maybe he did not say "yobbos". He might have said "Barbeaus".

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2126200426_f771a36cdb.jpg

Fred, your stock just went up a few points... :)

Among other things... LOL:)

Later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

I think it is from one of the Cannonball Run movies. Yup:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2126200426_f771a36cdb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/non_aviation/read.main/2075574/&h=336&w=500&sz=73&tbnid=V8tdBA-Bk6eX6M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dadrienne%2Bbarbeau&zoom=1&q=adrienne+barbeau&hl=en&usg=__a80EOv-YkyotQjvuIfrhOHpRDTc=&sa=X&ei=KGncTOexBoGcsQPd6InlAw&ved=0CBYQ9QEwCA

Tara Buckman.

Yep... she looked good in a spandex/miniskirt outfit in "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century" as Mallory Pantera's new girlfriend, replacing a very young Jamie Lee Curtis who Buck had to break out of a Zetan prison...

Good episode! OL JR :)

[K.M.Knox]

Spandex on the right woman is absolutely beautiful!

Then again, on the wrong woman it is absolutely gut wrenching, stomach turning, and vomit inducing.

[STRMan]

Spandex on the right woman is absolutely beautiful!


Cybernetic implants don't hurt the package either. Resistance is futile!

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/STRMan/SevenofNine.jpg

[Shreadvector]

"I'd buy THAT for a dollar!" (Bixby Snyder from Robocop)

See attached.

[Randy]

[QUOTE=STRMan]Cybernetic implants don't hurt the package either. Resistance is futile!


Resistance is futile? :eek: Who the heck is stupid enough to resist? :confused:

Randy
www.vernarockets.com

[cas2047]

Resistance is futile? :eek: Who the heck is stupid enough to resist? :confused:

Randy
www.vernarockets.com


LOL!!! Very good point!!! :D :D :D

[jeffyjeep]

Assimilate me, Jeri! Please!!!!

[ghrocketman]

I actually prefer the spandex laden "Buck Rogers" Erin Gray from back in the day to Jeri Ryan....
NEITHER holds a candle to Cassiopeia (Laurette Spang) from the original Battlestar Galactica though.
That series had a disappointing LACK of spandex on the fairer cast members unfortunately...
They did wear tight black leather/latex suits on one episode though for SOME reason...

[jamjammer53150]

Pell the spandex off of Jeri ryan , im still ok with it

[mperdue]

I actually prefer the spandex laden "Buck Rogers" Erin Gray from back in the day to Jeri Ryan....
What do you know, something we can agree on... :)

[luke strawwalker]

Still can't beat Princess Ardala's horned headdress and skimpy outfits...

WOW!!! (I really go for the BAD girls!) :D

OL JR :)

[ghrocketman]

Ardala had to be third on my list of sci-fi hotties though below Cassiopeia and Col. Deering.
Have a feeling her character would be just a bit too demanding for my taste.

Liked Cassiopeia's profession in the first episodes of BSG better than the later ones.
In the early episodes she was a "socialator" but in the later ones she was a "med-tech"; both of which could have certain advantages.

[cas2047]

I have to go with Number Six (Tricia Helfer) from the new BSG.

[ghrocketman]

Would put 6 definitely above Ardala and Col.Deering but below Cassie still.
The reason I did not include her was I was going with from late 70's/early 80's sci-fi hotties.

Will HAVE to say playing the character Baltar on the lastest BSG series would have been a LOT more entertaining than the original BSG. All John Colicos got to interact with on the original was spam-can robots.
The later Baltar got to interact (to put it mildly) with the temptress 6 in every other scene.

[Brain]

I have to go with Number Six (Tricia Helfer) from the new BSG.
Not if I get to her first... :D

[STRMan]

Let me say this is becoming the most pleasant hijacking of a thread I've ever been a part of. :D

Here a couple of of my other sci-fi favorites:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/STRMan/Delenn-1.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/STRMan/250px-JaniceRand.jpg

[tbzep]

Since we are not just sticking with the oldies, let's not forget Morena Baccarin from Firefly/Serenity, Stargate SG1, and most recently, V.

http://www.firefly.withoutshadow.com/gallery/events/morena/four_feathers/images/4feathers_morena10.jpg

http://mywallpapersite.com/d/22138-2/Morena-Baccarin-Wallpaper+_4_.jpg

[Pem Tech]

Since we are not just sticking with the oldies, let's not forget Morena Baccarin from Firefly/Serenity, Stargate SG1, and most recently, V.




Nom Nom Nom
*drool*

[tbzep]

We've gone from "Banned by the weenies" to "nom nom nom". Don't you just love the Free For All forum? :cool: :D

[RandyT0001]

Yeah. Within the last week my keyboard has flipped over a few times. Darn these cheap laminated particle board computer desks. :o ;)

[blackshire]

Well, the fourth word in the title of this thread is still applicable to it even now, just in a rather different way... :-)

[Earl]

I actually prefer the spandex laden "Buck Rogers" Erin Gray from back in the day to Jeri Ryan....
NEITHER holds a candle to Cassiopeia (Laurette Spang) from the original Battlestar Galactica though.


I'll go you 110% on the Erin Gray comment. I ALWAYS thought she was just plain super-hot, but not in the more typical 'in your face' (now there's a thought) kind of way (like the way Fawcett and Susanne Sommers were so 'touted' back in the late 70s....both were certainly not bad, but the likes of Erin 'did' it for me MUCH more than the more obvious types did).

My younger sister back in the day was a big Magnum PI fan (very early 80s) and there was an episode that featured Erin as a guest star. As I recall, there was an unforgetable beach shot as Erin ran AWAY from the camera in a bikini. Wow....no igniters needed on that one!

Earl

[Earl]

We've gone from "Banned by the weenies" to "nom nom nom". Don't you just love the Free For All forum? :cool: :D

Yeah, I think it's a pretty common characteristic of the male of human species: Females show up and our brains turn to soup.

Not that I mind that too much....

[o1d_dude]

Hard to believe Wilma Deering (Erin Gray) is now of an age she can draw out her Social Security innit?

Time flies when you're having fun.

[gpoehlein]

Y'know, they weren't on SF series, but two more ladies I always found really sexy (in a "girl next door" kind of way) were Marcia Strassman, who played Gabe Kaplan's wife on "Welcome Back Kotter" and Jan Smithers, who played Baiey Quarters on "WKRP In Cincinnati". But then, I was always more of a "Mary Ann" kind of guy than a "Ginger Grant" fan :p

[STRMan]

But then, I was always more of a "Mary Ann" kind of guy than a "Ginger Grant" fan :p

I am with you on that. I think that is probably the case with 90% of American males.

[Scotty Dog]

Miss Powers, Dyan Cannon,Raquel Welch

[Scotty Dog]

Miss Powers

[ghrocketman]

Egads.
I thought the actress that played Gabe Kaplan's wife on the gawd-awful show "welcome back kotter" was the definition of TWO-BAGGER Ugly !
Yuck, and DOUBLE Yuck !!!!
A "Two-Bagger" is far worse than a "butter face".
You put a bag on her head and one on your own for insurance purposes just in case her bag falls off to be able to tolerate her !

Frances Bavier (Aunt Bee), Ann B. Davis (Alice), and Betty White are far more attactive than her !!!!

[cas2047]

... I was always more of a "Mary Ann" kind of guy than a "Ginger Grant" fan :p

Mary Ann all the way! :D

[Scotty Dog]

Egads.
I thought the actress that played Gabe Kaplan's wife on the gawd-awful show "welcome back kotter" was the definition of TWO-BAGGER Ugly !
Yuck, and DOUBLE Yuck !!!!
A "Two-Bagger" is far worse than a "butter face".
You put a bag on her head and one on your own for insurance purposes just in case her bag falls off to be able to tolerate her !

Frences Bavier (Aunt Bee), Ann B. Davis (Alice), and Betty White are far more attactive than her !!!! Heres a beauty from up your way :chuckle:

[jeffyjeep]

Fargo is in ND. The movie Fargo took place in MN, (not MI). Frances McDormand actually isn't half bad when she's not wearing a parka and pregnant! ;)

[o1d_dude]

I remember "Julie Kotter". She reminded me of the older sister of a friend...man, did I have a crush on her back in the day but I digress.

Unfortunately, Marcia Strassman is not doing well healthwise.

[Scotty Dog]

Fargo is in ND. The movie Fargo took place in MN, (not MI). Frances McDormand actually isn't half bad when she's not wearing a parka and pregnant! ;)
I missed that MN not MI. Anywhoo-it (movie) is still a good one. About as good as "The gods must be crazy" Scotty Dog

[ghrocketman]

I think she is one of Bruce Lee's cousins....Ugh Lee or Home Lee !
Yech...
Not quite "Kathy Bates" fugly, but YUCK nonetheless.

[RandyT0001]

Miss Powers, Dyan Cannon,Raquel Welch
Scotty Dog, you do know how much it costs to replace my computer desk, don't ya? It's not a huge expense but I don't want to have to replace it every other day. :D

[cas2047]

The amazing thing about Raquel Welch is that she still looks great today! Whenever I think of her I always think of the movie One Million Years B.C.

[Ironnerd]

Sci-Fi Girls... mmmmm

Lexa Doig (Romy from crap-show Andromeda)
ALL the women on FIREFLY (Pretty, ain't they just?)
The often overlooked Nichelle Nichols (circa 1970)
Erin Grey, 'cause she's just so dang "wow".
Jenny Agutter (Jesica 6 from Logan's Run)

[STRMan]

I LOVED Andromeda!

[cas2047]

There's something about Xenia Seeberg "Zev" from the Sci-Fi show Lexx...

That show was pretty strange, but I liked it. :D

[luke strawwalker]

Let me say this is becoming the most pleasant hijacking of a thread I've ever been a part of. :D

Here a couple of of my other sci-fi favorites:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/STRMan/Delenn-1.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/STRMan/250px-JaniceRand.jpg


OH, YEAH... Grace Lee Whitney had it going on!!!! :D

Kirk ALWAYS had total babes for yeomans...

Later! OL JR :)

PS. updated my earlier post with pics of Ardala... :) (aka Pamela Hensley)

[luke strawwalker]

Nom Nom Nom
*drool*


What he said....

Very, Jessica-Alba-looking... (if that's a proper terminology)... LOL:)

later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Miss Powers, Dyan Cannon,Raquel Welch


Loved Dyan Cannon in "Caddyshack II"... VERY SEXY!!!!

Older women can be SO hot... :) :eek:

(my wife is 3 years older than me, BTW... I'd have been more popular in high school dating a college girl LOL:))... OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Egads.
I thought the actress that played Gabe Kaplan's wife on the gawd-awful show "welcome back kotter" was the definition of TWO-BAGGER Ugly !
Yuck, and DOUBLE Yuck !!!!
A "Two-Bagger" is far worse than a "butter face".
You put a bag on her head and one on your own for insurance purposes just in case her bag falls off to be able to tolerate her !

Frances Bavier (Aunt Bee), Ann B. Davis (Alice), and Betty White are far more attactive than her !!!!


Oh man ya had to go there, dincha?? :p

I worked with a gal one time, in her late thirties/early 40's at the time... from the neck down she was so hot she'd melt a cheese sandwich from across the room, but from the neck up... Well, let's just say she probably was cute at 15-16, but spent WAY WAY too much of her life in the sun...

Another guy on the job told me, "Ya know, she wouldn't be bad at all with a paper sack over her head..." LOL:)

Course that didn't stop the welders and contractors from hitting on her...

SERIOUSLY cracked me up... First time I'd ever heard that...

later! OL JR :)

PS... she ended up getting a guy fired... her husband was in security, and she was caught messing around with the guy that got fired in the back of her mustang on the jobsite... he ended up needing rotator cuff surgery on his shoulder... wonder if it was worth it... LOL:)

[luke strawwalker]

There's something about Xenia Seeberg "Zev" from the Sci-Fi show Lexx...

That show was pretty strange, but I liked it. :D

Ummm... YEAH!

See yer point... LOL:) OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Course let's not forget the hotties of the last TREK series, Enterprise...

Later! OL JR :)

[Brain]

The amazing thing about Raquel Welch is that she still looks great today! Whenever I think of her I always think of the movie One Million Years B.C.
I rather enjoyed her presence in Fantastic Voyage.
Yes, it would be... :rolleyes:

[gpoehlein]

I rather enjoyed her presence in Fantastic Voyage.
Yes, it would be... :rolleyes:

I especially enjoyed that after reading the novelization - Asimov described how the white blood cells kept clinging to every other part of her body, but the shape of her breasts confounded them! :chuckle:

Greg

[Shreadvector]

The amazing thing about Raquel Welch is that she still looks great today! Whenever I think of her I always think of the movie One Million Years B.C.

Not a joke: Her father's coat hanger is hanging on the wall in my manager's cubicle. It was brought to our location by abnother engineer who worked with him. When that engineer passed away, we bacame custodians of it.

He marked it with his last name (it is *not* "Welch").

Not sure if there is any DNA available for cloning....

[cas2047]

Not sure if there is any DNA available for cloning....

Unfortunately I think she's one of a kind.

[Ltvscout]

Since we are not just sticking with the oldies, let's not forget Morena Baccarin from Firefly/Serenity, Stargate SG1, and most recently, V.
Much better looking with long hair.

[Pem Tech]

Course let's not forget the hotties of the last TREK series, Enterprise...

Later! OL JR :)


WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Who is the Orion Slave Girl?

*salivation*

[falingtrea]

You guys forgot one. Only movie she was worth watching in, IMHO. heheh

[Randy]

You guys forgot one. Only movie she was worth watching in, IMHO. heheh

I agree. My brother still has the Playboy.

Randy
www.vernarockets.com

[luke strawwalker]

WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Who is the Orion Slave Girl?

*salivation*


Yeah... she's SERIOUSLY HOT no matter what color makeup she's wearing...

The Orion slave girl is Navaar, played in the Star Trek Enterprise last season episode, "Bound", played by actress Cyia Batten. She was accompanied by two other exceptionally good looking Orion girls called D'Nesh, played by Crystal Allen, and Maras, played by Menina Fortunato...

According to Memory Alpha, Cyia Batten also starred in the DS9 as Tora Ziyal...

Here's the link... http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bound

later! OL JR :)

PS... Wonder how you get the job of makeup artist on episodes like that... LOL:) Rough work! OL JR :)

[Brain]

Yeah... she's SERIOUSLY HOT no matter what color makeup she's wearing...

The Orion slave girl is Navaar, played in the Star Trek Enterprise last season episode, "Bound", played by actress Cyia Batten. She was accompanied by two other exceptionally good looking Orion girls called D'Nesh, played by Crystal Allen, and Maras, played by Menina Fortunato...

According to Memory Alpha, Cyia Batten also starred in the DS9 as Tora Ziyal...

Here's the link... http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bound

later! OL JR :)

PS... Wonder how you get the job of makeup artist on episodes like that... LOL:) Rough work! OL JR :)
I'll take the one in the latest STAR TREK movie offering... rooming with Zoe Saldana! Hubba hubba!

[jamjammer53150]

Who , in all of SCFI would have to be the hottest Hottie of all ?

[jeffyjeep]

That's easy. Angelique Pettyjohn.

[Ltvscout]

That's easy. Angelique Pettyjohn.
Ya, she was pretty hot. But, Jeri Ryan still has my vote.

[Jerry Irvine]

Ya, she was pretty hot. But, Jeri Ryan still has my vote.
Last offer. Do you want me to post the Rated R photo of her here?

[Ltvscout]

Last offer. Do you want me to post the Rated R photo of her here?
If there is nudity, then no.

[gpoehlein]

That's easy. Angelique Pettyjohn.

I've got a copy of the nude poster of her, autographed to me (I've got a friend in CA who got it for me :D ) She WAS super hot in those days!!! ;)

[STRMan]

Last offer. Do you want me to post the Rated R photo of her here?

Go ahead Jerry. Lets see how many sites you can be banned from this month. :chuckle: ;)

[blackshire]

If there is nudity, then no.The two-leggers' taboo about no-clothes...I'll never understand it (it's not as if they aren't born naked)...

[Jerry Irvine]

Go ahead Jerry. Lets see how many sites you can be banned from this month. :chuckle: ;)
That's why I asked first. The last time I was banned it was a sucker-punch.

Jerry